• We are a multilingual website again. Read the notice about this.
  • Understand AI use at MyPTSD: all AI use is explained in our AI help page. AI use is by choice here. It exists if you want it, but does nothing unless you choose to use it.

The d word - what do you feel you deserve?

And this one:
Is something to be deeply grateful for, to protect; not take as some sort of thing we’re owed. When we do that? We lose it.
I don’t agree. I can be deeply grateful for the people who’ve fought for my dignity and basic human rights even though I think they should belong to everybody. I can be grateful for people who saved me from the hands of those who don’t respect my dignity and who want to abuse me. I don’t see how that point of view leads to me losing my dignity.

Let them finish?
No. Treating someone with dignity doesn’t mean approving of what they do. It can very well entail punishment. Very different thing.

Again, I think we actually basically agree. Just come from different angles.
 
Pain and humiliation, to ensure that I can fulfil my purpose.
I think this answer actually illustrates beautifully what you believe you actually deserve—because you qualify to say you were conditioned to believe this and you give the logical reason why you have this and why it necessarily needs to be left behind (“my recovery had a long way to go”). So where is it going? Where are you headed for with respect to the original question, or rather, where do you *think* the destination is with respect to what you deserve?
The belief protects me from having to deal with the reality that my abusers were lying to me. That there was no purpose to my abuse than their own sick pleasure. There was, in fact, nothing special or remarkable about me and my situation, and no higher purpose being served by my enduring what I went through.
Except for that statement of “my recovery has a long way to go.” Your purpose? [Saving(?)] your very own self and surrendering to its … idk… value? Worth? Qualities related to what you can increasingly claim as yours as you approach that place where your recovery is taking you
Treating someone with dignity doesn’t mean approving of what they do. It can very well entail punishment.
I like this perspective so much. It reminds me of the tragedy and horror of the permissive parent, the effect of it on the child can almost be worse than abuse as there is no dignity, no belief in the agency of the child.

But oddly, the permissive parent tends to have an attitude of “the child deserves everything.” Which sort of brings us back to Friday looking at the newborn and telling them they deserve nothing as a kind of moral imperative.

There has to be a kind of middle ground right? There is a difference between Friday lovingly cooing to a newborn, “You deserve nothing so I will fight for your everything,” and a sinister Cinderella step-mom sneering, “You deserve NOTHING!”

Maybe the trick to overcome the semantics problem is clawing back from the edges of this dialogue toward the messy undefined center. Not to deserve nothing or everything—but where to start?

Human rights seems like a good signpost. I know the UN has the Universal Declaration on Human Rights that was created in the aftermath of the Second World War, which most countries agreed to. (Side note: there is also the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, which pretty much all countries have adopted but only one 🇺🇸 has yet to ratify 🤔).
 
I think the human rights act defines worthiness. All are worthy so all are deserving of basic rights. The law is also punitive but it doesn't mean all offenders are recognised or punished or in the right way. Sometimes the punishment is not commensurate to the offence and sometimes the offence cant be punished enough for the harm the offender has caused. The law cannot always be relied upon to give out deserved punishment.

I have my basic rights but my perpetrators weren't punished. if they were punished, I don't think that would really make much difference to what I believe I deserve. My self worth I don't think would automatically change for the better. I'm not sure. I know those perpetrators have to live with themselves, theirs is already a life sentence. Deservedness is the messy undefined centre for me as a person too because I feel messy and undefined. I suppose then that my personal boundaries should be treated like the law. Make them and don't break them because breaking boundaries can only lead to harm and not what I deserve.

Boundaries mean freedom, for me anyway.
 
i earn what i get. i earned all i have. I didnt deserve the crap that has fallen on me.

My big ask that i cant seem to earn no freeking way is that i not have to ask for things after i earn them.

I will jump through the hoop, no problem, hey, wheres my goody? can i please have my goody? Back through the hoop? ok, two jumps. now? can i please get my goody now? No goody?
I swear, its like i am being trained to bite. Ask twice, growl once, okay, f*ck the hoop asshole. No biting allowed.

I didnt deserve that, did I?
 
In therapy this week, we hit on this. It hit a huge nerve. What do I *deserve* nothing. Absolutely nothing. What is the opposite of deserving? Debt. Basically I can earn not owing for my existence. I can earn maybe a bit more, as long as I am paying the cost. Maybe. I don't know. Because always there's the debt for existence. Does this apply to others? No, of course not. And yeah, I know that could be (probably is?) a cognitive distortion. Right now though, that thought is far away.
 
Basically I can earn not owing for my existence. I can earn maybe a bit more, as long as I am paying the cost
But there’s a kind of safety or familiarity in this—because then you are the full agent, “I earned this.” No surprises.

Because if I deserved the kind of “care and love” I got as a kid? Ehm… no thank you! I’d rather earn something, that’s clean. Transactions have a kind of clarity and give me a sense of control.
 

Donation drives

2026 Donation Goal

Goal
$1,800.00
Earned
$910.00
This donation drive ends in
0 hours, 0 minutes, 0 seconds
  50.6%

Trending content

Featured content

Back
Top Bottom