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Therapist Clueless About Sociopaths

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What are we speaking of here? Sociopath or psychopath? That matters.
My therapist and I both use the term interchangeably, as do most people these days. The disorder I am interested in is the genetically based, innate disorder that is not treatable. In my opinion, no amount of social conditioning can turn someone born normal into a sociopath/psychopath - they may play act like they are one, compartmentalize emotions, etc, but they are not the real thing.

From my experience the therapist is correct in this statement.
"If he was a psychopath, he wouldn't have let you leave."
She was basically implying that he would have raped me. This person was not a street thug or a rapist. He did operate on the shady side of the law, but rape was not his bag. It was a brief encounter, and maybe he did want me to leave, but make me think he didn't - that's possible.

I understand the constant torment that some sociopaths perpetrate which you are talking about. I had a relationship with someone I believe was on the SP/narcissist spectrum. The verbal and psychological abuse, screaming, demeaning, and insulting would break out intermittently and then there was the blame game, turning it around on me, it was always my fault, you know the drill. Now that I think of it, there were times when I wanted to leave his apartment and he would physically block the door and basically hold me hostage.
 
Sorry, yes you are right @Pencil. It meant to read Why people posting here are suggesting that someone do NOT deserve specific treatment for something that is causing the them distress is something I am having a hard time getting my head around.
 
Now that I think of it, there were times when I wanted to leave his apartment and he would physically block the door and basically hold me hostage.
Right. And this is something that I am always wary of. If a sociopath does NOT want something to happen they will not (no matter what the cost) let it happen. Sometimes they say they don't want something to happen just to get it to happen. Always be wary of someone who displays sociopathic tendencies 'letting something happen' that seemingly gives you the control in the situation. They never hand over control (unless it is part of a bigger plan).

So perhaps if you had mentioned to your therapist the times that he held you captive that would have given her a better picture and relayed what you were attempting to get across to her better.
 
So perhaps if you had mentioned to your therapist the times that he held you captive that would have given her a better picture and relayed what you were attempting to get across to her better.
We're talking about two different people there. The guy who "let me go" is not the guy in the last paragraph who would hold me captive. Anyway, the high IQ, high functioning psychopaths don't risk prison time for small, short term benefits - they're better at picking their battles.
 
Ahhh. My apologies @Dana1010. I am interested then. What is the difference between the man you are posting about and the man who held you captive? Was their behaviour basically the same or are we looking at a difference along the spectrum here? Here is a recent link from psychology today that speaks to differences between the two if you are interested.

[DLMURL]http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wicked-deeds/201401/how-tell-sociopath-psychopath[/DLMURL]
 
What is the difference between the man you are posting about and the man who held you captive? Was their behavior basically the same or are we looking at a difference along the spectrum here?
The abusive type was higher on the narcissism measure, more impulsive and abusive. The one who let me go was a sophisticated, "perfect gentleman" type - I think he was more of a "pure psychopath." He was also smarter and more successful than the abusive type. I have to say, I did not know the "perfect gentleman" for very long at all, but he had a profound impact on me nonetheless. It seems that the the low functioning type are lower IQ and more impulsive which accounts for them flying off the handle. The high functioning type are higher IQ and better at weighing the costs and benefits - they may feel very much like beating, raping, whatever, but they just don't want to deal with cops.
 
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When I took abnormal psychology my professor said that there's only one cure for antisocial personality disorder. That is a bullet to the brain. He also said that although he's against the death penalty, he believes that is the only solution for criminals with antisocial personality disorder.
 
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but they just don't want to deal with cops
Or they find someone else to do the dirty work. Someone not quite so smart. There is no end to how many victims they bring in to get the 'real victim'. They feel no remorse in planning, executing nor letting someone else take the consequences for such. They don't want to go to prison but they wouldn't care if they could talk someone else into doing it - which is what I call 'the big picture'. One of the lower IQ types you are speaking of.

only one cure for antisocial personality disorder. That is a bullet to the brain.
My lawyer told me with my ex that I would have been better off (legal wise) had I killed my ex. There is no level playing field with them though. I could never - ever - even consider this. Perhaps this is why they are attracted to people like me. Anyone normal would have killed him.
 
Perhaps this is why they are attracted to people like me.
This reminds me of a guy I knew with the purest heart, the heart of a child, the finest person you could hope to meet. It was disturbing to me how many opportunists and narcissists he seemed to pull into his orbit.
 
Lack of remorse

This is a common behavioral trait for people who are on the personality disorder spectrum (PDs). This is partly why they don't, can't or won't adapt to social norms.

There is a lack of empathy, or emotion blindness towards other people. Some have very good cognitive (cold) empathy skills, so they mentally know how someone else is feeling, but lack the ability or capacity to feel what other's are feeling like it was their own.

A theory I've been playing with is that this is due to hyper-mentalization. Their brains simply think a lot faster than most, but to the point that they over-think things. They have a tendency to look at one minor detail and then over-generalize with their rapid thought/racing brain, and then with their impulsiveness they react and run-over other people's boundaries. Afterwards they end up clueless as to why they continue to fail at connecting socially, even more so shocked as to why other people are hurt. And PDs often take it too personal when other's try to defend their boundaries, when they reflect back observations of the PDs distorted thoughts or abusive behavior.

They usually never get out of this default pattern of relationships. They end up having some variation of 'hit & run' type social communication style. They dig in hard, hit fast and are hyper aggressive with their stance and criticisms. Trying to create connection through other person submitting and countering to their aggression. Sometimes this looks like it works on the surface, because many people will pacify their aggressive approach. However, it rarely ever brings connection or any sort of 'meeting of minds', so then they often 'run' away or 'leave' the conversation. Never admitting fault, never seeking understanding, never giving other people an opportunity to defend their ideology or feelings.

Being on the receiving end of this consistent pattern is exhausting. And trying to make sense of it with the assumption that everyone is normal, makes social interactions always have an underlying unease. Because some of us can recognize these patterns of behavior, but still haven't figured out how to practically interact with these types of PD type brains. And for those of us with family history of psychological distortion abuse by PD spectrum people, we have been brainwashed to take PD's behavior personally. We have a childhood full of being the common dumping ground of blame for everything that's wrong in their world, rarely ever able to successfully depersonalize these attacks. And because of that, there's always an underlying sense of powerlessness and isolation, because we lose touch with our own needs and feelings, codependent brainwashing from being in a relationship with a PD..

I've learned to stop automatically defaulting to diplomacy and explanation in response to people showing PD behavior. Once there's signs of over-aggressiveness and lack of remorse. I recognize that they don't really care or can't care about understanding or wanting to know what I'm communicating. Because I'm likely very slow on impulse, and on the opposite end of the mentalization speed, hypo-mentalization. I recognize my limitations, and simply work on getting better at identifying and calling out patterns of behavior.

It's no longer about communicating, it's more about recognizing excessive aggression, unfair communication behaviors and the active use of logical fallacies.

People on the PD spectrum seem to get a thrill out of controlling other people. Getting other's to jump or panic in response to them. Maybe it's like part of their 'care/panic' addiction? They feed off other's panic, or they get to feel connection when other people feel urgency and panic, because this mirrors their inner world of panic and chaos from hyper-active thinking. One big problem is that we unknowingly mis-read their behavior as a genuine attempt to communicate, connect, and meet minds. So we end up feeding their addiction, get exhausted dealing with them and we're left feeling lack after encounters with them. But since we leave disoriented and confused, unconsciously our nervous system seeks out 'do-over' opportunities with future social relationships, and the pattern continues. We can't avoid getting caught up in relationships with PD spectrum people, until we can see through their distortion FOG, and find a personally empowering and fair way to interact with them.

Simply doing the No-Contact strategy is only a short term measure, our nervous systems likely will always be drawn towards new social relationships with new PD's, because of the need for 'Do-Over' and end of story. So to ease our anxiety and confusion requires Education and Exposure. Education is learning to recognize common behavior patterns along with underlying motivations. Exposure is raw experience, calling out these behavior patterns, taking a stand against unfair aggression, and developing confidence with our own aggression so that we can defend our own boundaries.
 
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