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Too much laughter in sessions, how to navigate consulting with another therapist?

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I agree with you @grit - This isn't a case of deliberate transference @Justmehere - I think you have reached the limit on what this therapist can do for you and your therapist is reluctant to say so but you are definitely feeling it.

If you need to find out I'd suggest a decent break from your therapist. It could do wonders for you.
 
I am really sorry Justmehere. I had feelings of entrapment one time with a therapist because her services were free under the health care.

I do recall vividly her using words that just made feel not safe with her like "dangerous" or "that is just crazy" or "You do not want to do that" or telling me stories about other clients who were crazy and full of rage...which describes my childood. So in essence, she was, I suppose, trying to trigger me to lose it or maybe she was not attune to me and this was her way of trying to connect with me.

all I remember was I did nt feel safe and ended up protecting myself from her words..and that was it for me.

I think even taking some time after you talk to her first may do you well but ONLY you know really what you need. I am feeling your exhaustion though for not being heard by this therapist on this issue.
 
This isn’t torture, abuse, or entrapment. Transference happens.

I crack jokes and story-tell. I say things like a good story. It’s been every therapist I have seen. Ever. No exceptions. It’s me and the profession. I don’t click with therapists. I have little reason to click with them.

Today I’m really upset about the continued lack of response to a text asking for help. I’ve texted 2 times like this in the last two years, and she said it’s always ok to ask. It’s perfectly reasonable to not respond too. But I’m pissed and it’s throwing me off. I’m obsessing about it. I can’t think about anything else and I need to focus.

For whatever reason, my pain is funny to people in the profession. I’ve never had anyone outside the profession who wasn’t actively abusing me chuckle away about trauma. It’s weird to me. It is what it is.

A break isn’t an option. It would be the end of treatment for the forseeable future to not go. Maybe that’s just fine. I don’t really have anyone else to even talk to, face to face, about the difficult stuff in my life. Maybe learning to endure laughter is better than nothing. The rest of the therapy is super helpful. Just not this dynamic. It’s not unique to her. It will stop when I change. No sooner.

I really just don’t even know what the change looks like.
 
I crack jokes and story-tell. I say things like a good story.

It’s been every therapist I have seen. Ever. No exceptions. It’s me and the profession.

I don’t click with therapists. I have little reason to click with them.

For whatever reason, my pain is funny to people in the profession. I’ve never had anyone outside the profession who wasn’t actively abusing me chuckle away about trauma. It’s weird to me. It is what it is.

I wonder if you could look at this stuff either in this thread, or another thread.

Leave the therapist's stuff to one side for a while.

And look at the dynamic of why you don't click with therapists. Why you crack jokes.

If you sort out your half of the dynamic, it's much easier to see what's going on with the other person.

And it sounds like you need to sort out your part of the dynamic, because even if you change T's, it's likely to happen again, with the next one.

I do NOT think it's okay what you T is doing. Not at all.

But it does sound like *both* of you are somehow stuck in the dynamic of using humour as a coping tool.

What's your half of the story, if you can leave aside the hurt caused by your T's stuff, for a moment?

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If I actually show emotion she tells me to regulate. So. How will I do that? Humor. Or leaving.

I think you're a little mistaken in what emotional regulation actually is...

What you describe is avoidance, not emotional regulation.

You laugh to avoid your feelings.

You run away to avoid your feelings.

Emotional regulation involves actually being able to sit with your feelings, FEEL your feelings, and be ok.
 
@Justmehere - I first want to say that you're doing good work IMO, looking at this challenge and confronting it.

Some things stuck out to me. Ok, a lot of things...I think they are in two categories -

(1) your own observations about how you use humor, and how they might help you move forward.

You say this:
For whatever reason, my pain is funny to people in the profession. I’ve never had anyone outside the profession who wasn’t actively abusing me chuckle away about trauma. It’s weird to me. It is what it is.
I don't think you can be certain that it's your pain that is funny to mental health professionals. I think it's more likely that they are picking up the cues you are giving them. if you look at these two quotes:
I crack jokes and story-tell. I say things like a good story. It’s been every therapist I have seen. Ever. No exceptions. It’s me and the profession.
I can humorously analyze it to death and tell it as an interesting story, no one sees the pain.
You can see that you've used humor and storytelling as a way to distance the listener and yourself. That's really not uncommon, at all. And I would say that it's also pretty common for the therapist (while listening) to mirror the client.

What it seems like you have not yet had is a therapist who doesn't mirror it (the distancing humor) back to you. Or, a therapist who confronts you about it, thereby challenging your distancing mechanism.

And it sounds like that's what you want, now. You've been doing a lot of new disclosure with this therapist, if I remember right. It makes sense to me, in that context, that you'd be realizing you want to be listened to differently, and that you need help making that shift.
I just don’t want my trauma to be laughed about anymore by people in the profession.
The rest of the therapy is super helpful. Just not this dynamic. It’s not unique to her. It will stop when I change. No sooner.
Yes - but I think it's very possible for her to be helping you with this change. You need to figure out how to catch yourself slipping into storyteller mode, and you need to re-direct. But she can also be a useful observer of when you're switching modes, and help you stay away from deflecting.
I asked a friend who is very humorous if he ever struggles switching from the humorous to the serious. He said no, not off the top of his head...How come I am not doing it well? I don’t know. How do people make the shift?
This really stood out to me. I have a hyper-awareness of exactly what this shift is, for myself. It's very important, first, that you simply slow down. Take your time when you are talking. Try and be aware of your own perspective on what you're relaying. When I'm talking about stuff that happened to me, I can either tell it as a narrative or I can tell it as it happened from my perspective. I only noticed very recently that I was almost always narrating what happened to me, instead of actually talking about my experience...urgh, I feel like I can't explain this properly. But does any of this ring a bell?

I do know that it's possible to learn to recognize when you're shifting into a storytelling mode, and when you're not. Slowing down with your own rate of speech and . even thought formation will help.

(2) OK, here's the stuff about the therapist's past behavior that I think needs to be addressed with her
I don’t want to end with this therapist, she’s good at one area that I can’t find anyone else in my state to touch with a 10 foot pole. I want to keep working on that with her. Problem: she laughs at me too much. Like full on belly laughs. I’m ending up saying, “please stop laughing, please stop I really mean, it please stop” at least once every other session for a few months now.
My therapist just says she can’t help it.
If that's really true, then she's a really shitty therapist. I doubt that's true, given everything else you've said about her. I think that it's 100% appropriate for her to modulate her own responses - that's part of her job. The fact that you've told her to stop and she hasn't, is weird to me - weird like, I wish I could see a videotape of an exchange that went that way, so I could see if she's really that callous and clueless, or if it's more complicated than that.

But I don't think you need to try and sort that on your own. I think this is the stuff to bring to the table, because it's what she's going to need to change.

(The rules around texting go into that discussion category, too).

In your time working with her, have you yet ever given her critical feedback? And/or done a sort of state of the union session where you very purposefully discuss communication, and what's causing you problems in the working exchange?
 
I think we always need to look at our side of things when patterns repeat themselves. Not from a blame perspective and rather from a perspective of looking why, if we want to change, and how we would do that. It doesnt mean we have to do it by ourselves. You dont and shouldnt have to. And when we are in the process of that change its always painful and messy in my experience. Usually a phase of sending out particularly mixed messages. Totally agree people pick up on our cues. Also totally agree that sometimes therapists shouldnt go with those cues. And they should definitely not do something like laugh in situations like these if we ask them not to. Or ever. : ( It could be pure coincidence that you havnt had a t that has done what is really needed here.

Am suspecting you are probably very good at that cover and story telling stuff otherwise as many as this wouldnt be reacting as they have. In my experience when this stuff has happened to me I can see they had switched over into an academic removed zone rather than a callous one. Meaning no harm. Following me. Not following me in that moment usually but rather the path I have set before. My extra thing was an "I am fine" mode. Not excusing them as it wasn't excusable.

Really I still think you need to see if she can step up and be what you want her to be now that you have really spelled out to her that you mean business with this. You can't fully remember what happened in the session. Its possible the point wasnt getting through before consistently. Just try to hold off until you can speak this through properly. And if she is being a totally shitty therapist in this (whilst having been a very good one for other things and in other ways) then sometimes even huge ruptures can be repaired IF both parties are able to do what they need to. She needs to do what you need her to do.

Also, we usually only have transference when there is at least a little bit of connection.
 
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I’m reading what you all have written, and I’m just stunned. Left to my own devices and thinking, I would have quit. But reading and considering this input...

The long and the short of it -

The issues:
1.) my avoidance through humor
2.) her response
3.) what I’m trying to escape

That third one, that’s the real issue, and it’s not really about my therapist laughing? Is it? Probably not.

Denial is quite the thing.

My therapy homework from this week was:

1.) to take intentional action to begin to be more open with a couple of select people in my life about my life in a way that embraces soft vulnerability. In part because of the trauma recently disclosed to her and because I have two friends who are dying of two different terminal conditions and are people I used to be able to be softly vulnerable. I don’t know how to describe what I mean. I killed off my ability to be that way with other people, because of trauma, until this last therapy session this past week... and my therapist was like this is good, go do it with others a little.

2.) to not run from or sabatoge success.

Instead, I’ve been all pissed off about my therapist getting a case of the giggles. Which yes, that needs to be dealt with...

The real issue is that I’m super terrified in my life right now. I know how to connect through humor and brokenness. I’m decent at that. I am terrified of connecting through soft vulnerability and success, and I don’t have a clue what to do about it. I have coping skills galore, but I don’t have a clue what therapy is supposed to do to help with any of this. It may be obvious, but I’m kind of in this weird foggy denial (apparently) about my own stuff at the moment. I don’t have a clue what to do now.

I have been honestly trying to ask myself if I could shut the humor down. The answer? Maybe. I could ask my therapist to help me to stop. Then what is left? Everything I want to run from.

ETA: I’m screwing up my life. I even want to run from this thread. I don’t know how to make anything ok. Maybe I could tell her, “I screwed up and got off track. I’m sorry. Can we wait on the laughter, and instead deal with the homework assignment that you gave me?”
 
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