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@The Albatross Thank you for your comment. I think I may not fully understand what you mean "commit to your priorities" I do not know if I have any commitments to anything anymore. I am trying to live everyday as it comes and learn as I can and be. You may have some information I am not aware of. Please elaborate.
 
"Words, they climb all over you til they uncover you from where you hide." ~ Peter Gabriel

Post more on this topic, share more and I'll reply.
 
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I am not sure what to say. I am sort of on reprieve right now. The most important feeling for me now is this: I am not focused on others. I am not on the puppymill of solving problems for others thinking I am being helpful or caring or worse know the answer. I have looked the site few times and each time saw a topic that was interest in some level but did not comment because my comment would have been more about me than the person asking...

I was responding like a broken record (both online and at work) the past few days and was not aware of, added to my MIL sickness and my husband not acting as I thought he should (or I should if I was in the same boat- automatic show of I care) just boiled over and was crying for help...and though soothed over by Friday and others' comments, they just pulled the rope to say earth down here and boom I opened my eyes and grounded myself. ooh one more...all about me now! ha! I realized my husband is stronger than I gave credit for...I was sort of pushing him to visit his mother....wackodoodle of me!

I am again in a sweet spot right now...like I was drowning and was rescued and now can breathe finally! I do not want to forget but nor do I want to dwell on it...holding. Thanks for the follow up.
 
I am sort of still feeling a huge momentum from this post.
I am so far-fetched from others. It is as clear as a day. but yet it does not feel I am detached. In fact, it feels I am full and satisfied. It is like I always and probably still (since I am talking to you all), operate from a sense of you (all) and how you see me rather than a space of me (original without all of you) and saying something to a space where you may hear or not hear what I said but I know what I said and that knowing of it is enough. It would be just as satisfying if you heard and you tell me you heard but it is just so as it is.
It feels a new dawn!
I feel I am the car on the road and the road and everything on it and surrounding is the universe and people...I pass along without taking you with me and yet I remember you and feel how I felt when I pass by you.

Thank you again. It is wonderful to have such space to become more of me. I hope I remember this moment and its full impact.
 
I just wanted to respond to you saying that you can feel it when your actions are motivated by past conditions versus it being a free choice. I think it's good to listen to that intuition. My parents used and exploited me, and I was forced to help them well beyond what was appropriate for a child. In discussing this issue with my T, I realized that at the bottom of this helping was the threat to my well being. If I didn't help, I would be punished or abandoned. That also went with the fact that my entire value became wrapped up in my helping. I wasn't loved unconditionally just for being me, it was conditioned upon my jumping through their hoops. That left my feeling that I was deep down unloveable and had to earn love. So today, I struggle with helping people because I'm conditioned to constantly give help, but it's always tinged with this sense that my worth is at stake. Lately though, especially with my current boyfriend who I feel loved and supported by, I don't feel that shadow. I freely offer help that he actually needs, and there is no secondary reaction that happens in co-dependency - resentment that you gave more than you wanted and then you get angry. I identify as codependent, so that's something I think about a lot. Right now, my process is realizing that helping people does not actually have to hurt. But probably that's also because I'm establishing more boundaries. For example, I tagged along with my bf on a chore he had to do which involved moving things around, lifting, and putting stuff away. He asked me along for the company, and when we got there, he pulled out a crate for me to sit on. I did end up helping him put a few things away, but he was happy not to have me do too much, and I was happy to help only when I felt like it. He often makes me feel that he just enjoys me as a person and not for what I give him or do for him which has helped me a lot. I think I've also worked on my codependency enough that I was ready to accept his sort of permission to be free.
 
If it helps at all? These are all common side effects of adults in abusive relationships, too.

The reason abuse “works” is that it’s not insanely different from normal human behavior. It’s completely normal and natural to anticipate someone else’s needs/wants/desires (to make them happy, to function better as a team, cast oil on troubled waters, etc.). That happens inside of pretty much every healthy relationship, ever. As does forgiving someone a hard day, or giving them a bit of leeway for this situation or that circumstance, etc. That interconnected interplay is simply part of being in a relationship with someone. Professional, personal, romantic, etc.

Where abuse warps things is that it takes that perfectly normal/healthy connection and ups it. Both the consequence/reward (abusive relationships tend to be intense, both good & bad parts x10) AND the level of responsibility. Instead of each person being responsible for themselves? It becomes the other person’s responsibility to provide the emotional baseline for the other. (This is part of where the codep springs from). It’s the victims “responsibility” to keep their abuser happy and any unhappiness is their “fault”, meanwhile the abuser dictates how their partner/child/etc. is “allowed” to feel. Not happy enough? KaPow! Too happy? KaPow! Goal 1 - keep abuser happy, Goal 2 be what they want you to be.

With adults with no abuse history? You generally have to ease them into this dynamic. Building off of the normal/healthy expressions, pushing boundaries, until this becomes their normal. With kids, it’s their normal from Day 1. (Or of later in childhood, they can’t leave, so must adapt... but that tends towards other side effects than if an adult is eased into it or it’s all a child has ever known).

Clearly, it’s more complicated, the above is just picking one normal facet of love/life/relationships and how it warps In abuse, and there are dozens. But as you’ve lived it, you know that.

The main point being... that none of these things that progress into the harmful or pathological? Start off that way. Whether you’re talking about anticipating someone else’s needs/wants/desires, or problem solving, or any of it. There’s a tooooooootally healthy / lovely / beneficial range below the warped levels abuse pushes things into. It’s not that any of them are inherently wrong. All of those things on the short list above? (Codep, control issues, trust issues, fawning, martyrdom, manipulation) can just as easily be character assets, rather than serious problems, once they’re moved out of the abuse range and into the normal range. Then? They become things like teamwork & confidence & empathy & well thought out / skilled negotiations, etc. Things “just” have to be moved back a step. Which is harder than swinging to the polar opposite (from fawning into domineering, enmeshed to cold uncaring and distant, etc.)
Thank you soooo much for explaining this! You found the words to say/explain what I feel and couldn't understand about myself. I really appreciate it.
 
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