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Irrationally Agitated People Give Me Panic Attacks

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Klo

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Wondering if this is a mild to severe trigger for anyone else. But irrational people give me panic attacks. My issues are mostly from childhood abuse, so I know that probably factors in. My parents were very unstable and irrational.

Working as a cashier in a convenience store, I encountered this a lot. Customers were often irrational / unreasonable and angry, and it made me feel like I was constantly be challenged to fights or something. As one of many examples, there were two sources of liquid vanilla coffee creamer: the pump machine (had bags of creamer inside and you pumped it into your cup), and the little creamer cups that you open and pour. It was early in the morning, I had a long line, things were nuts, I could not step away from the register. This guy came up to me and started loudly talking over the customer I was helping, he was irritated and informing me that the pump machine was out. I politely apologized for that and told him that there were cups of liquid vanilla creamer on the other side of the island. He raised his voice to me, sounding snarky and agitated, saying that he "shouldn't have to use the cups" and then just stared at me. I just blanked him out after that, I couldn't interact with anymore because I felt like we were going to have to fight about it or something, and I didn't want to fight anybody. I imagine he eventually left the store in a huff.

But I get this still from my mother and her husband a lot, too. They orchestrate situations to be mad about, they act irrationally like they want a reason to be mad, so they create it, and they continue to be irrational while they respond to the situations they create.

One is that I have a small dog (6 lbs), he can't reach most places/things in the house, but he can reach the end tables in the living room by jumping on the couch/chair. If my mother or her husband leave things on those end tables, like books, earbuds or phone charges, my dog will get up there and grab them to chew on. There are taller tables in the living room that my dog can't reach, so I asked them if they could please put there things there when they are not at home so my dog can't reach them. But they refuse. They refuse to do it, and deliberately leave their things on the end tables. They told me they wouldn't put their things on a higher table because they don't have to.

So today my mother's phone charger was left on an end table and I didn't notice it in time, and at some point in the evening, my dog got a hold of it. Most of the time I keep a close eye on him, but in the span of half an hour unsupervised, he got up there and got it.

So my mother's husband confronts me about it. I could tell he expected me to have some sort of reaction.. scared? Apologize? Angry at my dog? I'm never sure, because it's never enough anyway. I just freeze up a bit when this sort of crap goes down. So then he tells me that from now on, he wants me to do a sweep of the living room once per day in the afternoon and clean up after my dog. Without thinking better on it first, I tried to explain that there were no messes earlier today, that the charger incident just happened. He tells me that doesn't matter and just stares at me. So I say that yes I will do a sweep of the living room once per day. All of this completely ignoring the fact that my mother left her charger on the end table instead of two feet away on a higher table, just because she can, and while knowing that my dog would get the charger. Now I am sure when she gets home from her business trip, she will want to have a big, dumb argument about it.

And even at the same time, I still feel guilty because it is my dog and their house. But I also feel defensive, because what they want me to do is keep my dog locked up in a crate all day, and I am the one who refuses to do that. It's because it reminds me too much of how my mother treated me growing up. There are home videos from when I a baby/toddler to prove it. She would put me on the floor with no toys, and then wait for me to crawl and find something, like a lamp cord, and then yell at me and threaten to spank me, and tell me that I was doing it on purpose to make her mad. Over and over again. So when I get that vibe from her about my dog, I get a "fight" response going in my mind. Like no, it's not a little dog's fault if people leave things laying around close to the ground and he finds them.

Am I the one being irrational? It's okay if the answer is yes. I just feel confused. Don't know if I am feeling triggered and it is making me irrational, or if I am feeling triggered by other people being irrational. Or maybe if we are all nuts in this house.
 
I don't think you're bein irrational, but I completely feel you on this.

I'm starting to realize that I seem to put myself in relationships with people who are as hell bent on being irrationally enraged as my mother was.

f*ck those people. Sorry you're going through that at home. Pats for your little dog and hugs for you if you want them.
 
Lately I get nearly narcoleptic in the presence of rage. Irritation disturbs me if directed ate me, I feel more compassionate towards them if someone is just feeling it for other reasons (not due to me).
 
There are people who belligerently refuse to act in their own interests, and pass on responsibility to other people. Your descriptions match those belligerent people. It is well within 'normal' to find those people really difficult. (I'm not saying you're not triggered, I'm saying that you don't need PTSD to have difficulty coping with the situations you've described there.)
 
There are people who belligerently refuse to act in their own interests, and pass on responsibility t...

Nah I get you, that makes sense. It doesn't trigger me badly like some select things do, it is just a more mild fight/flight feeling. I feel a panic attack coming on but also get really ticked. But funny enough probably just look like a deer in the headlights.
 
But funny enough probably just look like a deer in the headlights.

And that's why that strategy works for them - they can turn most people into a deer in headlights pretty quickly. Once they've cracked open the person that they're dealing with, they can then get that person to serve their interests. The usual advice for dealing with people like that is 'avoid them'. It can take a lot of strength and confidence to handle them gracefully, without hurting someone (either yourself, or them).
 
And that's why that strategy works for them - they can turn most people into a deer in headlights pre...

Well I don't want them to do something really shitty like get rid of my dog. My mother once said to me, "We would never do anything like get rid of him just because you are having problems" referring to my mental health problems and she said it out of nowhere. To me that is how my mother threatens to get rid of my dog but in a very deniable way. That is how I perceived it, I admit it could be paranoia, but I don't know. I am also financially dependent on them right now which further complicates things. I am trying to regain independence but it's taking forever as I have no transportation and no help for my mental health problems. I keep applying to places within walking distance though (within 5 mile radius of the house). But for now yeah I really suck at dealing with them.
 
I don't think you suck at it - having difficulty with a difficult thing is not the same as sucking. And the statement you've quoted does seem like a subtle threat to me, given that she seems unwilling to make minor changes in her behaviour in order to accommodate the dog.
 
I don't immediately think of this as an irrational/rational type interaction. I view it more as a controlling type situation. I view your mom/her husband as controlling. "Let's control a baby" (good luck!); "let's control a dog" (more luck needed here!) There are indeed elements that aren't rational in the least, but I see the control element in it all as well.

The guy in the store? He wanted control over where his creamer came from.
 
I don't immediately think of this as an irrational/rational type interaction. I view it more as a...

I get what you are saying. I guess I just see something like that as irrational. But I do also have tendency to try to see the most benign option with things like that. I admit I would rather see someone as irrational than as just a d-bag. I've talked about that in therapy before, too. I was told it was because I spent my childhood trying to excuse or justify my parents' behaviors because I loved them. There is probably a little truth to that, I admit.

And on a less serious note, I also think with the job, it had a lot to do with the fact that I worked early mornings. Nobody had had their coffee yet and most were on their way to a crappy job. Probably didn't help heh.
 
Ha, people like this are... special.

I have found the best way to handle these kind of idiots, is to give them exactly what they want.

Wait, what?!?!! Keep reading, trust me.

Ever heard the old expression, "too much of a good thing"?

Let's start with 'creamer guy'. Though a blank stare untill he leaves, is certainly an acceptable compromise. Probably took him all day to work out happened. Lol.

Obviously it's better if you can leave your till, but even if not, this will work.
Tell him something like, "oh, I'm very sorry sir. If you will take a bottle of creamer from the chill case, bring it to me and I'll be happy to help you."

When he does, open it, fill his cup with creamer, leave about a quarter of it for coffee. Then look surprised when he gets upset. Say something like "Oh I thought that's why you were upset? Opening a million little creamers to fill your mug, would have taken forever. I don't understand why you are upset." If he wants to press the matter, simply say. "I won't charge you for the wasted creamer sir, but next time I need you to be more specific, BEFORE I waste a full bottle. Have a lovely day."

Now, for the mum and husband.

You have a few easy options for this.
  1. If they won't put the items on the taller tables, fine. Put the end tables, with the items, on top of the taller tables.
  2. Put everything you can find, on the end tables. Dishes, keys, toys, food human & canine, books, drinks, silverware, everything. Pile it high. No one said you weren't allowed to use the end tables for storage of things.
  3. Crazy glue (make sure it's non toxic, in case your dog manages to make off with something. Last thing I want to hear is a suggestion of mine harming a dog, I love dogs.) Phone charger, glue it too the table, anything else, glue it down. They also didn't specify that they want to be able to collect these items later. Honestly it's fair to assume that they actually wanted their stuff destroyed, seeing as they left it there (knowing full well what was there, was going to become a chew toy anyway. Dogs don't fix things when they chew on them.) Really, you're doing them a favour. If your dog can't chew it, it'll be in good working order when they want to collect it. And it certainly won't have blown away. Lol
Many years ago now. I was dating a girl who lived with her older sister. Her sister was dating this big macho, arrogant idiot.

I was still drinking at this time, so one morning I had come downstairs to find this guy had helped himself to a bottle of Rye I had given to my girlfriend. Needless to say, I was annoyed. This guy also insisted on calling me 'Irish'. I have no problem with the Irish, but I am not one. I am English, from England. (A fact I pointed out to him on numerous occasions.)

Not wanting to pick a fight (not my house, also he was alot bigger than me.) I said, "hey, you know in Ireland, it's customary to add a little whisky to ones coffee, helps with the hangover." Being an idiot, he automatically assumed this to be true.:troll:

So off I went to the kitchen to make a couple of 'Irish coffees'. I made his a tad strong (honestly 3 quarters Rye, with a splash of coffee for colour.)

Brought it too him, he took a sip. I thought he'd be pissed off. Nope, he said woah! Does this taste strong to you?

I took a sip, swallowed. Performed the best bit of acting I ever did. Managed to keep from vomiting, I even managed to pretend I enjoyed it. (It was wretched) :yuck:.

In my defence, I didn't think in a million years, that he would actually finish a hot cup of rye.
Apparently my acting was good enough to make him think he had to prove something.

A few hours later...

Me and the girlfriend are fooling around upstairs, when her sister comes in, saying that this guy had just passed out after throwing up on her.... oops.

"Oh dear" I said. That's all I could get out with a straight face. After her sister left us to go look after the paralytic guy.
Girlfriend and I both looked at each other like.
:wideeyed:....
Then...
:roflmao::hilarious:

He never asked me for another drink.
 
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