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Mind control, brainwashing

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I think it goes both ways.

We know what we live.

Just like younger generations feel they deserve things cuz they got a trophy just for showing up and doing nothing....

We feel that we deserve the abuse in the same way. We showed up AND DID NOTHING (wrong), but still got abused.

They got good things for doing nothing (and as adults feel they deserve good things for doing nothing).

We got bad things for doing nothing (and as adults feel we deserve bad things for doing nothing).

Two sides of the same coin. Learning from what we live.
 
Cult leaders will do this deliberately and victims of ritualistic or cult abuse have this specifically in planned and orchestrated ways.
Some of us were raised this way in organized family systems where it was deliberately orchestrated for cultivating their agendas, purposes, propaganda. It’s done in such a way that when you have to unravel it in therapy the differences are striking between repeated shaming words and outright planned levels of brainwashing where it is layered and tiered in a planned organized way. So yes brainwashing happens. How and who does it and whether or not it is organized, planned or incidental to someone’s abusive ways is the way I differentiate it.
Either way, harmful stuff. Takes a skilled t to help and a survivor mentality to overcome. Step by step is best.
 
I can see the similarities between what happens in the brain under direct, orchestrated, and planned brain washing and what happens in the brain from years of guilting, shaming, and gas lighting, major cognitive distortions.

I was sort of woven into this ideal world by my mother where my role was to be the bad one and every random thing that happened served to support my badness. Like if we were driving in the car and there was a flat tire, that was my fault. This was magical thinking that infiltrated my mind so that I feel responsible and the cause of all bad things now.

I am often stuck in a fantasy dialog myself, a perfect fantasy version of my self that I am unraveling in therapy, though I do not have NPD.
 
believe in mind control.... Projects like mkultra...
My father was my main perpetrator and he was a CIA agent. It took me a long time to figure this all out and yet in the very beginning of my healing journey I told a therapist this. She thought I was crazy and tried to have me committed. He was many things more than an agent. He knew the detailed ins and outs of MK-Ultra and other programs and experimented on me. On top of all this, he was an assassin, a pedophile, and a serial killer. My abuse occurred back in the 1950s through the 1960s.

When I first began reading about NPD, I felt a weight had been lifted
The same here @Scarlet13 . A T I stayed with for 14 years gave me an article on NPD and my eyes were opened on that day. For the first time in my life I had a name for what I lived through at the hands of my mother on a daily basis. My mother was a malignant narcissist in that she was violent and cruel with me. She'd get this weird grin on her face if she hurt me.

I don’t need to believe in conspiracy theories to believe in the short/long term effects of : teaching/conditioning, abuse, trauma bonding, brainwashing, psychological warfare, interrogation, etc. .... Extremely well documented.
All of my father's favorite tools to use on me.
 
My father was my main perpetrator and he was a CIA agent. It took me a long time to figure this all o...

Hi @Congruency... I'm sorry.. That's awful and horrific what you're dad did.
I've been reading trance by Cathy O'brien and each page reveals a new horror. I'm struggling to read it....

Im sorry about your mum too.. Not an easy thing to deal with as a little kid and an adult.

Big hugs
 
My abuser deliberately used a range of tactics from hypnosis, to ritual, to punishment/reward, to indoctrination techniques (and on, and on) for the purposes of abusong me, and because he seemed to take some kind of enjoyment from making me believe some pretty messed up things.

It took me a long long time to be able to admit that I was brainwashed. I was, but I still feel incredibly uncomfortable with that. My preferred word is ‘conditioned’. A lot of the time I feel like the victim of a malevolent science project.

The big change in my recovery from that element of my abuse occurred when I was given a book to read about treating victims of satanic cults. The info about satanic cults? Not helpful! But the treatment approach was to essentially normalise the “brainwashing” that the victims were recovering from - and that was a game changer for me.

A lot of therapy for this stuff is directed at “deprogramming”. But it places a lot of emphasis on how, when you’re brainwashed, it’s as if someone has inserted some kind of computer chip in your mind so that your mind is being controlled somehow.

Actually, the big difference between “brainwashing” (that you might get from a cult), and the type of daily messages that kids in abusive households grow up with? Is simply that in some situations, like cults, the conditioning is simply carried out in a more deliberate and considered way, and sometimes using more techniques. Same end product though: you’ve been taught to believe something, and eventually you do.

Taking the mystery out of “brainwashing” in that way was really helpful to me. The same ‘re-learning’ process that any other abused child needs to go through when they’re healing? Is what I need to do. The only difference is the methods and motivations of the perpetrator, which isn’t something that actually needs to really impact my recovery process at all.

Brainwashing, as an expression, to me is not much more than emphasisng the deliberateness and intentional nature of teaching the victim certain things. I absolutely believe there are individuals, communities and organisations around that deliberately set out to convince people of things that are untrue, dangerous, and are for the purpose of serving the perpetrator rather than the victim. That’s not a conspiracy, it’s just nasty version of what parents and schools and churches do every day of the week.

A child who is routinely beaten and told by an alcoholic parent “You’re useless” needs to relearn things much the same way I do. It’s just that the way they were taught “You’re useless” wasn’t necessarily the calculated end-game that my abuser had. It’s all conditioning - it’s just different methods and motivations.

ETA: the biggest possible difference? Is that as part of my recovery, I need to somehow accept that all of the vicious and mind-altering things my abuser did to me? Was incredibly calculated. That’s hard to come to terms with. But I don’t think it’s necessarily any worse than the person who has to come to terms with “These are things my abusive parent taught me because they didn’t care, or were just plain messed up themselves”. They’re different things to have to accept and heal from, but I’m not convinced that one is any worse than the other, they’re just different.
 
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I don't just believe in it it's well documented fact. Mind control and MK ultra. Being able to relate to those who under went atrocities in the MK programs. And yes what you went through is brain washing. There are some out there who study psychology for a number of years then use it to exploit and mold people in their lives to better suit them. Then there are those with intentions to heal, most of these would be psychologists.
 
My abuser deliberately used a range of tactics from hypnosis, to ritual, to punishment/reward, t...

Hi @Ragdoll Circus.. Thankyou for sharing your own story on this.
I understand in the sense I was conditioned to believe I was useless, ugly, stupid and fat... Fat was a major thing in my childhood home. Violence was used to scare... Walking on eggshells was an everyday occurrence.

My father was to drunk to give a shit.. And in one way at least he didn't say the same things.

My mother has borderline personality disorder... And I wish I knew that as a kid... But nope. Neglect was common, bring yourself up kid... Me and my brother did.

But I was totally brainwashed... I had no confidence, hated myself and was angry at the world.

It took alot of therapy to change these beliefs of myself... The only thing I was good at was art.... But back then my confidence wasn't very high.
Very interesting topic I feel... The brain and what you are taught or learn or fear. Big hugs @Ragdoll Circus.. Xxx
 
Is simply that in some situations, like cults, the conditioning is simply carried out in a more deliberate and considered way, and sometimes using more techniques....

....Is that as part of my recovery, I need to somehow accept that all of the vicious and mind-altering things my abuser did to me? Was incredibly calculated. That’s hard to come to terms with. But I don’t think it’s necessarily any worse than the person who has to come to terms with “These are things my abusive parent taught me because they didn’t care, or were just plain messed up themselves”.
I certainly wish this were true. Though, according to my T it's not. For survivors of ritual and satanic ritual abuse and MK-Ultra and the like, there are death/suicide MC/programming cues. I feel as if I'm walking on ticking time bombs as I never know what MC/programming will emerge which carries serious ramifications. So far so good yet I never know. There's no guarantees.

For me, there's no end to the bizarre torture/MC/programming which my father perpetrated on me to shut me up. I just remembered three different ones in the last month's time. My father knew exactly what he was doing to me; he was a CIA trained operative with extensive knowledge of the MC/programming techniques from the 1950s and 1960s. And when he wanted the ultimate in control, he drugged me with certain medications which could elicit the exact reactions he desired. His actions were calculated and produced specific responses.
 
planned brain washing

This came up in my therapy recently. I was completely brainwashed during my trauma. It was part of his plan to break me -- to make me believe things that were not true. I am still struggling with it because what I KNOW to be true and what I BELIEVE to be true are very different.

Brainwashing, as an expression, to me is not much more than emphasisng the deliberateness and intentional nature of teaching the victim certain things.

Yep. it's that struggle to define what happened -- if I can just label it as something it will be easier to heal from it. But I also find that when I'm searching for labels I'm doing it to distract myself instead of facing things head on
 
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