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How do i stop being bullied?

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I have ADD. I also have drug induced mania from the anti-depressants I have taken since the assaults. In many ways I don’t care for the medication that causes this side effect but the other meds are not a possibility for one reason or another and I accepted early on in my cptsd that I would not survive without pharmaceuticals.

I have many opinions about psychotropics, especially about the companies that produce them, the social prejudice that believes every organ but the mind can suffer disease and the financially based govt regulations that prevent an open free market that would encourage true research instead of short term band aids…. But, I digress.

Being manic compounded by ADD, it is not surprising that I come across distracted and spaced out, unable to take in information from others. I understand this perception and acknowledge it readily. But it couldn’t be further from the truth. In all honesty, I am so perceptive, or perhaps better described rapidly hyper-sensitive to others, their signals, words and most importantly the message behind everything on the surface, that I must tune out to a certain degree to be able to tolerate their energy. Subtle cues I pick up instantly, and in many cases my hyper-diligence allows me to finish their sentences in my mind before the words are uttered.

I am annoying, or better stated, I annoy people. Especially men. Sure I get the occasional compliment about my “bouncy energy” but far more often I am treated like an insolent child and reprimanded for not “listening”.

I rarely, if ever, debate their experience, as it is fruitless, but there is something about this experience they have that brings out the worst in them. I have never been treated as poorly by men as I have been since being medicated. And that, by the way, is saying a lot, because I have been severely mistreated much of my life.

I am now questioning my quiet acceptance of this behavior. I feel bullied and a clear misogynism that puts me down as a woman. How could a woman dare to not head their every syllable? But honestly, what man has ever really listened to me?

As a child, a teenager, an adult and now as person with ptsd, my father has always stared intently into space while I speak, not often even an “uh-huh” to pretend. This familiarity has been my life experience, then this experience gained speed and incredible intensity in the last decade. Assaulted, insulted, mistreated and dismissed to the point far beyond mild mistreatment. My father meets most of my statements with his raised voice yelling “Listen to me!”. I am expected to forgo even polite acknowledgement that I am following.
I have reached a limit. I don’t need them to like me, to get me, to believe I hear them. I need them to know it is no longer acceptable to speak with me in a disrespectful tone, insisting I kneel at their feet listening passively.

I learned and adjusted to this behavior in men as far back as I remember. How do I now take action to take care of myself, being respectful, while insisting on respect? How do I take action to end the bullying? Has anyone had similar experiences and can you share your ideas about how to BE different?
 
You stop asking for it. IDK how to do this so I don't go around people. Your post is excellent, so full of those feelings I know so well. (I just deleted the parts about sex but sadly for me it's about nothing else) When can I do what I want and not have to worry about if I'm in trouble or if I was not obedient? When can I not worry you won't give me sex if I misbehave? When can I stop wanting to be punished for the way I am? It's not misogyny it's dominance. It goes on always not just between the sexes but with everyone. You could have said, how do I stop telling people I'm submissive. My wife says don't talk, that'd be a good start. But even that doesn't work. I give off the cues, the eyes, the gestures. Everyone can see it, especially the predators. So I hide. I don't mind so much anymore if I have a good hiding place. I'd like to think I'd be rewired somehow and no longer be like this but I'm also afraid I have a very strong subconscious attachment to it.
 
I’m a bit worried about you. Maybe this is off topic... Does your doc know you’re experiencing mania because of your antidepressants? I’ve heard that each manic episode makes future manic episodes more likely, so that’s why it’s important to be on a mood stabilizer if your antidepressant pushes you too high. I know I don’t know your whole story, just concerned, that’s all. Hugs.
 
Unless you’re willing to kill them, there’s no way to stop anyone else’s behavior. They’re going to behave the way they’re going to behave. You can attempt to influence them, but those results are always highly variable. You can only choose how you respond to their behavior.

Exactly as no one can stop your behavior. Manic, bouncy, annoying? They can tell you to stop it, or to listen, or walk away, or whatever... but nothing that they do will change your behavior, without your consent & capability.

Relationships? Are always a dance. No matter how casual the interaction, nor how intimate. The gas station attendant to your spouse.

At the end of the day, no matter how skilled you (or they) are in negotiating, nor how much they (or you) might even wish to comply, they (or you) may well be unwilling or unable to.

The illusion of control says that if you do A, someone else will do B.

From abusive (if I make them happy, they won’t hit me), to friendly (if I greet them, they’ll greet me back)... and every possible variation. When people do what we expect? We tend to relax. When people don’t do what we expect we tend to react badly. Feeling insulted, or angry, or suspicious, or scared, or off-put, or... many things. Because they’re breaking the “rules” of how they “should” be behaving based on what we expect them to do. The illusion of control is shattered. They’re not performing their part in the dance we’re attempting to do with them. But that’s all it is. An illusion. We really, truly, cannot control how other people act.

So, for me, I just act as I please. What makes me happy. The people who relax around that? Who enjoy that? Tend to stick around. Voila. My people. The people who don’t? Who are upset by me? Eh. f*ck em. They can find other people, like them, to be with. Same as I can, when I’m upset by others.
 
I’m a bit worried about you.
Thanks for your concern EveHarrington. My shrink is aware. I am not bi-polar, I only experience mania on ssri anti-depressants. This odd phenomenon is now a diagnosis itself in the DSM. I have tried every medication practically, and combinations of meds. Turns out for now, the less than perfect combination of ssri's and ADD meds is better than the other lesser than perfect combos. I am almost 10 years on this combo and always planned to go off "soon". But healing has been slower than I expected.... but I know someday I will be able to.

Thanks again ;-)

Great post, Friday! I am taking it in right now. I look forward to responding and acknowledging your wisdom once I do....
 
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Hi @pamcoco.... Have you ever just said don't speak to me like that.... In a really calm voice.
And if asked explained how it makes you feel?... Especially your father.

My dad when being an asshole speaks to me badly but I tell him don't speak to me like that I'm not a piece of shit I'm your daughter. Usually it's left there... And then the next day he is a little nicer.

I wouldnt worry about random people usually the people who pick on others.... Or bully are the most unhappy.... Miserable.... People. Take care...
 
Unless you’re willing to kill them, there’s no way to stop anyone else’s behavior.

Believe me, I have not forgotten about this post. In fact my life seems so consumed by this dynamic recently, I can’t escape the bullies from all sides.

Most dramatically, my step-father ran into a sliding glass door that caused a slow brain bleed. It wasn’t discovered for about a month.
I knew nothing about his condition until the morning of his surgery So, at 5:30 am I grabbed my clothes off the floor and any electronic devices near my bed and rushed to the airport.

While my step-father has been a prominent bully in my life since the assaults, we had come to a truce in the last year. My mom had been making a mends to me for several year and without question I wanted to be there to support her.

He went into brain surgery about 8 hours after my arrival at the hospital. He arrived back in the room at about 1:00 am. My mom is 80 and she has several physical handicaps and ailments from our shared auto-immune issues, but she also shows significant cognitive impairment at times, especially under stress.

Because of her inability to think clearly, I sent her to a hotel as soon as he returned to the ICU after surgery, for recovery. I spent 64 hours awake in ICU with him, oddly, no one else came to visit him for the first 24 hours.

For 5 hours after surgery he struggled to breath, and I mean struggled. I described it as choking to a friend I texted while I laid beside him.
During those hours I ran out to the ICU nurses station several times, begging for help because he clearly seemed to be dying. The nurses dismissed me, condescendingly explaining that he was fine, just snoring.

Finally the morning shift neurosurgeon came in to check on him. She immediately asked me if he had been breathing like this all night? I said yes, the whole time since surgery.

She immediately paged the respiratory physician, whom immediately inn-abated him. Doctors, nurses and staff poured into the room as I stood right outside the door. There mouths then assured me he was fine, but it was clear that they knew he was not.

Five days still never awaking from anesthesia, my Mom decided to remove him from life support as he had requested. He died shortly thereafter.

The bully factor during my 64 hours at the hospital is an all time record. It would take me a long while to explain all the players and the battles. But, I failed to listen to myself and then go to any lengths to be sure he was given the attention needed. I was bullied.

While the autopsy results are still pending it is partially believed that a lack of oxygen caused further brain damage to the point that the portion of the brain that allows us to wake was permanently damaged.

While I know and everyone tells me that it wasn't my fault, it was my responsibility. It was obvious he was choking and I let some bitchy nurses keep me from stripping naked and pulling the fire alarm.

I have that old familiar pressure in my chest, the knowing that knew something was seriously wrong. The same pressure that led me to give CPR to a dying man in Mexico, that chased a man in my hallway with a knife out the window he entered from, and the feeling in which I failed to protect myself from with the man that roofied and raped me and my GYN that assaulted me. Since the assaults, I conscientiously work very hard to follow my gut instincts and do mostly.

This is another tough lesson for me.
 
You said:

"Believe me, I have not forgotten about this post. In fact my life seems so consumed by this dynamic recently, I can’t escape the bullies from all sides."

Neither have I as I could have written it myself. If only I could get paid for making people dislike like me. The subtle whisper in my head, "this person doesn't like me." It makes me go cold inside. That feeling drives me so hard it can start "the behavior." I think I actually want to kill you maybe if I think you don't like me? Or I think you want to kill me. It's that dramatic.

I'm not on any meds. It makes you feel these things so acutely. I already went through the death(s) of our parents. I was on meds then. I'm glad I don't have to deal with them anymore but my dad went first. I wish he had lived. He never saw any of my children born.
 
I am very sorry for your loss. The nurses sound dismissive and neglectful of a patient post surgery. His death is not in any way your fault.

In terms of bullying, decide what you are and are not prepared to accept from people in your life and behave accordingly. You aren’t a child any more, these men aren’t your father, you can choose what you accept from people. Try not to mind read what people are thinking about you (they usually aren’t thinking of you at all), try to always give yourself the benefit of doubt - folk don’t want to be around you, criticise your behaviour, it’s entirely their issue.

Have a plan in strange situations, know your own mind and think of how you’ll behave if someone won’t listen to you (so with the nurse “I’m worried about him, if you won’t come and check please give me the name of your nurse manager”).

It’s very hard to break the habit of accepting others bad behaviour but once you do, you’ll be much happier.
 
While I know and everyone tells me that it wasn't my fault
Add me to that pile. It wasn't your fault. Nothing you did caused his respiratory distress. You were not the anaesthesiologist, surgeon or charge nurse.

it was my responsibility. It was obvious he was choking and I let some bitchy nurses keep me from stripping naked and pulling the fire alarm.
If you really feel the need to carry the burden of responsibility on yourself? Ok then, here's what that looks like to me.
Being the only one to see that he appeared to be in respiratory distress, you could argue that it was your responsibility to alert the hospital staff of this, to get help for him as quickly as possible. Which is what you did.
Stripping naked and pulling the fire alarm is only going to get you kicked out of the hospital by security. It probably wouldn't have made a difference if you had. Making a huge scene might draw attention from the nurses station, but it's going to be focused solely on you.

I conscientiously work very hard to follow my gut instincts
You're also human. You can't predict the future, nor read anyone's mind.
It's not reasonable to expect yourself to need to be better at medicine than a building full of medical professionals.
You're not the one who dropped the ball here.
 
My subconscious just won't listen. It's a pattern. I saw it start running yesterday and I jumped off? Sometimes the harder you try the worse it gets. I'm the one doing it so telling others to behave is silly? I realized I was doing it years before trauma therapy. When I got into therapy I was really hopeful because they all understood it. I got lots of compliments at having figured it out. It's still going on though. The therapist tells me we are doing good and stuff. We are. It's still going on though.
 
I've been bullied and talked shit about most of my life about family members to people I don't even know. Part of it is developing a thick skin. I also had to find my confidence (voice), learn some emotional intelligence and learn how to communicate. Most of the time I let things roll off my shoulders, sometimes I still get angry about it. But in the end - who are these people to you? What do they contribute to your life? If it isn't for the better then fk em.

I didn't read the whole post either so if it doesn't pertain just ignore. Much love hun. Xoxo You'll get through the b.s.
 
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