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Why Do Parents Hate Their Kids?

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Um, pardon me a very many people have lives, young lives frought with adversity. You are still breathing and your heart's beating. You can sit and nurse your pain completely immersed in an idea (because imagining what would have been/could have been is only an idea and not factual at all)... our you can self actualize the life you have left.

Know you're not open to biblical stuff... because my mind says "Get up off your mat and walk." I have had boatloads of trauma, abuse, rape, strangulation, attempted murder, attempted kidnapping. I am not a "genius" IQ, though I am higher than average. I have DID type episodes, but I have gotten on with my life. I hope you can too.
 
Anna, you are right. They don't care. They abuse the weak because they are weak and hate it. In that movie Pulp Fiction, near the end, Samuel Jackson's character quoted that bible scripture Ezekiel 25:13. "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities and the tyranny of evil men.....blessed is he who helps my brother, for he is the shepherd. But, (forget it all)For I will lay down great vengeance and furious anger on those that hurt my brother and they will know my name is the Lord!" He said, "I used to think it was just some cool shit to say to dude before I blew him away. Something happened this morning that made me think twice. I used to think I was the shepherd and Mr. 9mm was saving my righteous ass. Now, I realize, I was the tyranny of evil men and you, Ringo, are the weak. But, I am trying to be the shepherd. I'm trying real hard, Ringo." Ringo tried to rob him of a case full of gold he was taking to his crime boss. LOL
 
Blunt. Probably way too blunt. But the fact is adversity comes in all shapes and sizes... to everybody. Sometimes it is trauma. It sucks but if you are stuck all well wishes and sympathy in the world aren't going to fill the void. You need to fill the void with proaction and decision making. Retake your own mind by refuting habitual thinking patterns that are self defeating.

It works, I know because I did it myself.

“The most beautiful people we have known are those who have known defeat, known suffering, known struggle, known loss, and have found their way out of the depths. These persons have an appreciation, a sensitivity, and an understanding of life that fills them with compassion, gentleness, and a deep loving concern. Beautiful people do not just happen.”
― Elisabeth Kübler-Ross

“Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.”
― Edgar Allan Poe
 
The Albatross,

I'm sorry you went through all that. Until I started trying to not hate myself, I didn't know about the self-hate really till the last year and half and did not know the damage to me until the last year and half, too. I also never got the help I needed even though I begged for it. I worked a lot to cope then lost everything in the recession. I didn't abuse drugs or alcohol to cope, which shocks many people. I've lost everything in the recession and am bankrupt now. My bad credit keeps me from jobs all the time. I have a bad back and a bad knee so can't lift over 25 lbs. I hate religion not God. I was taught the wrong God and a lot of bad religion just like being in a cult.

If you are willing to work with me and show me the way out (specifically teach me social skills--pretty much all of them; teach me coping techniques with shame, anger, rage, self-hate, crushing depression, anxiety, PTSD, not jump inside at everything, panic attacks, etc.) and really comfort me allowing me to cry and get rid of a lot of pain (I want to but scared I would never stop and there is no one there to comfort me--and I wonder if I'd get suicidal feeling so much pain at once crying like that), I am all ears. I've begged for that kind of help from shrinks, pastors and asst. pastors, other religious leaders and never gotten it. The religious folk wouldn't talk to me really except to say, see a shrink then some of them talked about me behind my back. Nobody cared enough to try.

I'm not being contrary with you. I really am asking you for that help. I'm gonna start asking everyone. All they can say is no. I literally have nothing to lose. I get panic attacks over religion so I stay away from it. God is okay with that God told me. I can't explain that.
 
Anthony's take of CBT are good starting points. Personally I had to curb my own thinkng pattern habits, and am rather strict with myself about which thoughts I indulge and which I do not. The filter for those, is "Is this a generally beneficial belief?"

I have found Psalms 55-57 to be rather apt with respect to my own experience and found it beneficial with respect to my own self dialogue. I am not at the mercy of my thoughts and feelings, nor do I give "just any" pattern of thought or random thoughts my full attention. Consciously I ask, like David did, "Why so downcast oh my soul?" and choose to dialogue with my "self" rather than be at the butt end of my "self". If you know what I mean. I abandon thinking patterns and behaviors that do not suit me or are beneficial with the person I desire to be. There are many perspectives on any given situation or person. I am not inclined to ruminate on one, but find more beneficial thoughts to suit me to best move forward.

The idea of "adversity in all life" is an example of one that best suits me and protects me from self pity. If I am inclined to accept that in all life there is adversity... I'm not all that special. It levels the playing field and leaves me then free to look for actions or activities and to attempt to employ them in an effort to change.

All manner of activities or reading a can be employed as you attempt to gain new perspectives and curb the habitual re-living/reexamining of your past. But know that as long as you retain the habitual thinking/behavior style, you are hobbling yourself in your present and will meet with continued stress/frustration/distress. Be prepared to abandon old habits and thinking styles and find a basis for living that "best serves" you.

My own is a pattern of self discipline, autonomy, practice, patience, perserverence and persistence. I triage my recovery with one thing in each area of "myself" in my self care. Physical, mental/emotional, and spiritual. I have actively done self studies on boundaries, self parenting, conflict resolution, relationships, character traits... through the course of the last several years. I prefer these days to endeavor to learn and attempt new things rather than ruminate or remain stuck in my past and old behaviors.

I employ all manner of tools, REBT (Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy), CBT (Cognitive Behavior Therapy), ACT (Acceptance Commitment Behavior Therapy), DBT (Dialectical Behavior Therapy). So far as social skills go, I make challenges and goal set myself - being willing to go through experiences for a set duration and write about the results. I am willing to learn, willing to fail, willing to risk attempting because each time I endeavor to be in a situation, I get more accurate assessments and experience to build successes upon.

Anthony's take on things is pretty much my own. He has a sound secular approach. My own approach has an aspect of spirituality. Neither are wrong, both are beneficial. Thanks for taking my posts in the spirit in which they were written. I am best served moving forward acknowledging the adversity that I have had in my life without rumination or idealization. I can not know what my life would have/could have been otherwise. It would be conjecture pure and simple.

Invest or consider investing into your own character development. You are not at the mercy of events. You are not at the mercy of thoughts/feelings that are disturbing. You are more than your thoughts or feelings. You are smarter than your thoughts and feelings. Spend time and energy in inspirational or intellectual pursuits about character building and self worth. Attend to those and I guarantee you, you're life will get better. You are the soil, you are the seed, you are the sunlight, you are the rain, you are the fertilizer.... you are the sum total all these and the common denominator. Without one... the plant will wither and die. Enough rumination or grief of perceived loss. Rise, get of your mat and walk.
 
Albatross, (and any others)

I'm assuming you grieved over what happened to you at some point. Yes? I've never been given that opportunity and have had no support whatsoever in doing so. No one to call and no one to talk to. My past shrinks, useless, refused to discuss my sex abuse and child abuse and just wanted to endlessly expound on Bipolar. When I got pissed at a few for doing that and insisted on discussing it, 3 of them told me I was "hopeless", which was abusive not to mention a slap in the face. MS. EMDR thought two 15-20 minute "sessions" of pretty lights should fix me. It didn't so she told me, "I don't know what else to do..." I cussed her out, fired her and left. Yeah, she had no clue what she was doing.

"I abandon thinking patterns and behaviors that do not suit me or are beneficial with the person I desire to be."
Self-hate for nearly 40 years is sneaky. I feel incredibly guilty and shut down for treating myself at all and my mind races, bad thoughts toward me intrude, etc. I wouldn't even begin to figure out which I do without serious assistance, which I have yet to receive. I've fought some, but not all cause I just don't know them all.

"All manner of activities or reading a can be employed as you attempt to gain new perspectives and curb the habitual re-living/reexamining of your past.
Any specific activities? I really have no clue of what you speak.

"But know that as long as you retain the habitual thinking/behavior style, you are hobbling yourself in your present and will meet with continued stress/frustration/distress."

How exactly do I identify those? I really don't know.

"Be prepared to abandon old habits and thinking styles and find a basis for living that "best serves" you."

That's pretty vague. How exactly do I identify these old habits and thinking styles that are wrong?

"I employ all manner of tools, REBT (Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy), CBT (Cognitive Behavior Therapy), ACT (Acceptance Commitment Behavior Therapy), DBT (Dialectical Behavior Therapy)."

I'm assuming most of those you have with a therapist? REBT and ACT I've never heard of. CBT I know is with a shrink.

I'm not being contrary, but exactly how do I do all this without any professional help? I'm serious. The Courage to Heal workbook didn't work for me cause it constantly asked how I felt and I'd answer, "numb" about 95% of the time.

How do I get all this therapy when I an unemployed, uninsured and have nothing to pay for it? If I can't get all this wonderful therapy, am I just screwed? Which is pretty much what I think. I really am ready to give up. I really have no hope anymore. I've tried and tried and tried and failed and failed and failed. I asked God, well, the wrong version, and no one was sent. I'm still pissed at God over it. Why am I so worthless you can't send any to me? Is that just for certain people? I think that's the case, God.

Seems simple the way you wrote, but it really isn't. Is it?
 
It is a decision, a conscious decision carefully guarded and made several times a day, then every day - 26 days creates a new habit and 6 months creates a new behavior. Grieving is not necessary for recovery. It really is a case of, how soon do you want it?

Actually, no the tools I mention have been my own self study for about 4 years now. I had a therapist when I was having random suicidal thoughts and urges. My guy was a talk therapist. Very little help whatsoever. I did this forum, learned about the stuff I shared above, and after about 6 months, the suicidal thoughts were gone and I stopped therapy. I do though have footing and experience in both secular and 12 step recovery. I had issues with alcohol. When I got a few years of sobriety I realized I had "issues other than alcohol"... and found the PTSD.

Self examination. Reinterpretation of events, people and circumstances looking for alternative more beneficial perspectives than the ones you currently hold. 12 stepper's HOW of the program is honesty, open mindedness and willingness. It is apt.
If you don't know how, learn. If you don't know what, try. If you don't understand, read or use the forum to discuss with other people (like you're doing now). If you want your life to get better, take actions in line with your personal goals and values. If you feel shame or guilt, learn what shame and guilt are for and determine to learn how to discern the appropriateness of emotions rather than boil in emotional dysfunction.

I use free resources online or at my library. Then I apply it in my day to day life, and I participate on this forum to learn from the experiences of others.

If in your workbook "numb" was your answer 95% of the time, concentrate your efforts on the 5% of emotions you have available to you and work with them until something thaws out. But it is work. Everything worthwhile pretty much is.

I'm actively pursuing some self confidence, resilience, and spontaniety right now. I couldn't have even begun to do that the way I was 4 years ago. Self examination, willingness, making a decision, action, reassessment of feedback from goals or challenges... grow, stretch, grow stretch, grow stretch. Just like those ear bobs young people have now. It starts small and gets larger, and larger, and larger. I started with where I was. A sober woman with agoraphobia and suicidal thoughts and urges. Now I'm a sometimes troubled woman who travels a good deal of the time around various towns, and has 2 part time jobs and takes care of both my mother and mother in law and also checks on my friends mom during the day a few times a week to help their family.

I am not symptomatic very often and when I am I set my sights on how fast I can rebound. Periods of 4 months have been shortened to a few days to about 2 weeks. It is better because I challenged myself to go to my mail box. Go to the store. Go to a class. Go to a social event. Be a volunteer... etc. I am no longer agoraphobic and have the ability to go anywhere without a lot of stress. I did it by conscious decision making, goal setting, making a plan/having a strategy to aim at being reasonably successful... one goal at a time practicing, patiently, persistently and perservering. I made the decision to be willing to be stressed or uncomfortable for a set amount of time, small at first and then more until I got a "generally satisfying life" back. That term sounds weird. But that's how I defined what I was aiming for.

How you define it will be up to you and perhaps my life doesn't sound like you're idea of where you want to be. But I can assure you that it is in line with my core values and the type of person I want to be. You are like I am. I also have no concept of "before trauma". I made the decision that I was a blank canvas and that I could paint on it what ever I wanted. I made a choice to live a self actualized life. I have also chosen to self parent myself and to teach myself what I need to know. I decided I couldn't have make a bigger hash out of it than my parents did. It is slow, systematic, my hobby is my own self improvement and character development. It was my only hobby for a time, but now I'm beginning to get some of the feelings returning. Some personal satisfaction, some peace and calm, some laughter, some smiling, even a bit of happiness and contentment.

You can too.
 
The Albatross,

How did you do all that without any support systems? AA would be one. I saw that. You made it sound like you did this all by yourself, books and online. Honestly, I really didn't believe it so I looked. You don't credit your husband? That would be a big support system, too (unless he's a jerk or something). Did you forget all that? How much more support do you have? Best girlfriends? Kids? A church that actually cares about you? The way you talked, you had that, too. All mine cared about was collecting tithe checks from me. Maybe I missed that in your posts on my thread. Did I?

Sounds like you have lots of help I could only dream of having. Must be nice. I have none of that local help.
 
“Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.”
― Edgar Allan Poe

Albatross,
Love, Love, the quotes you made especially the 'Poe' one. I also agree whole heartedly with your statement about adversity. I know people right now going through a terminal illness, people who have physical and mental limitations, and am always amazed that throughout painful life adversities they manage to find the positives. I know as well that there are people on this site suffering from cancer and other physical limitations and going through PTSD and still manage to find the positives in their lives. I think your posts have been so honest and forthright and helpful to not only me but I am sure many others. I am so happy to see other resilient people in this world living as much of a productive life as they can and working at making it even better day by day.

I like that you did self-study as well. I did so much self-study prior to being a parent. I took psychology in college both developmental and I believe abnormal. I remember learning the different theories and thinking my parents never provided the basic things that a human requires. I am amazed I am not as messed up as I could be. My introductory Psychology course included a course using a book called “I never knew I had a choice”. It was a workbook that discussed how you were brought up and how your upbringing can create negative states so to speak. I think that book helped me tremendously through my ‘growing up’ as a young adult. I knew what my parents did wrong and I worked at creating a better life for myself through education and developing friendships. I have learned that I am a strong resourceful person.

I am the parent of twins and am so blessed to have children. I had a very difficult pregnancy and hospital experience and suffered I think from postpartum depression. I was on bedrest early on and on full bed rest in the hospital around week 26. It was very depressing. I made it my mission to have a healthy attachment to my children. It was a very difficult process and I did it on my own. No therapist or advisor of any sort. I read many parenting books. I felt like I was winging everything and still do. I sang to them when I did truly not want to sing. I still sing to them at 4 and they want me to sing the silly songs I made up when they were babies. While in the hospital over the holidays I had a man tell me in emergency what a great mom I was. I sang to my daughter most of the night while waiting. I did not care about anything around me but making her feel better. I climbed in the cot with her and held her and read while they were giving her an IV. When she sobbed so did I. I can ignore pain or painful procedures and dissociate completely and not feel anything when it comes to me. With my children I cannot handle their pain. I feel it full on. I want them to feel the love I never had.

I don’t truly believe my parents hated me even though I was abused in so many ways by both of them. I have peace with my dad. I have a ‘good’ relationship with him now and feel supported by him. I don’t think his intentions were to ever harm me even though they have had long lasting effects. I don’t believe I was flawed but I lived in a very flawed environment growing up. My husband does not understand why I talk to him because of the abuse I dealt with growing up. I think if he was still perpetuating it then I would not have a relationship with him.

I am seeing two therapists at the moment. One doctor who is doing Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT) and grounding with me and another that just listens to me vent . I don’t feel like I get much from the one that listens to me vent but she referred me to the doctor for EFT and grounding. The one that listens to me vent specializes in EMDR but I am not stable enough for that according to her. I think I dissociate so much that I need to be more in the here and now and the grounding and EFT are going to help deal with uncomfortable feelings that make me dissociate. I am hoping that the EFT helps. There are so many sites that recommend it and show you how to do it. My doctor just gave me a brochure and went over it with me but the videos online were better to watch.

I feel like I have written a novel. I think that everyone here on this site has great insight and it is a blessing to be included in your lives. I think all of us know compassion because of what we have all gone through. It is hard not to have compassion for our ‘fellow’ man that has walked the same/similar shoes as us. I am a newbie going through recovery and am trying and learning to be good to myself. I am just happy to have the mentoring and experience that has been so thoughtfully put out here by all members and administrators here.
 
MotherofTwo, You're lucky to have found all that support and love. I wish I had access to that kind of support and love. Never knowing the joys of kids hurts me a lot. :( I constantly ask, why, why wasn't I worth anything to have gotten that kind of help? It hurts me so much getting constantly turned away. 44 years of loneliness hurts, too. :(
 
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