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Redefining Mentally Ill

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"well-regulated militia"
Do you think your average American citizen has read it and is well informed?

This thread seems to be the Bermuda Triangle - points just go missing. Here it is: Let's forget about the second amendment for the moment. The point is that there is something wrong in American society when citizens arm themselves and go kamikaze style into schools or malls. There is something wrong when cops murder suspects for no clear reason. These suspects are not blacks who are targeted by racist cops. These suspects are all colors. But let one suspect be black and all of a sudden it becomes a race issue. The bigger issue is ignored. In a flu epidemic, the Ferguson cop sneezed. Yes, with fatal results, but he did not sneeze because the person in front of him was black, he sneezed because he had flu - just like many of the people who are now braying for his head. South African society is much worse shape. The point is that the real issues get obscured in these outcries.
 
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So maybe the larger lesson beyond the crucial personal ones about the necessity and acceptability of defending oneself and one's boundaries is that it is decidedly difficult to recognize and diagnose "systemic mental illness" (a whole new level I might have just made up - oh no, now I remember http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_Popular_Delusions_and_the_Madness_of_Crowds my brother was kind of obsessed with this book for a while... maybe I should read it...)

Still, there are models for recovery even on this greater scale. After all, there was no such thing as "child abuse" really a hundred years ago. Certainly not legally. There are still places where marital rape is not recognized as a "thing." So I'd have to say based on the record that there is legitimate grounds for hope for the future. For the society, as well as for individuals.
 
Yes indeed, and the correct diagnosis is crucial.

To your new diagnosis (an excellent one, I might add), we should add 'moral illness' as opposed to 'mental illness'. Then we can all go back to being happily and safely mentally ill :D
 
crucial personal ones about the necessity and acceptability of defending oneself and one's boundaries
As you know, I agree with you on that one, and I don't see restrictions on the right to bear arms as a solution. But there IS a problem, and it is NOT a race problem.
 
. The point is that there is something wrong in American society when citizens arm themselves and go kamikaze style into schools or malls. There is something wrong when cops murder suspects for no clear reason.

I would also suggest that guns are not the the issue, though, either.

I've lived all over the world. In countries, like mine, that have firearms? Yep. Those tend to be the weapon of choice.

But in countries where firearms are illegal / difficult to obtain? People simply switch weapons. Usually, my experience is that people use bombs and fire to make statements, knives in their daily lives. Also institutionalized rape, where that's an accepted form of control or retaliation. (

In this country : Bombings here are extremely rare, and arson is almost exclusively in the realm of "firebugs" (thrill seekers) not people using fire strategically. Most people don't even think of knives as a weapon, and rape (while fiendishly difficult to prosecute) is still considered criminal and reprehensible, not accepted as a tool. Even amongst most criminals.

I think what you're driving at, though, are signs of a sick or dying culture? That goes far beyond weapons choice. And one of the classic signs is losing faith in police/judiciary.

Like up here, while there is quite a bit of dissatisfaction with our police and judiciary... We still trust them. We still have faith in our judiciary as a people, even if individuals do not. Not as much faith as up in Canada, and nowhere near as much as in Japan, ...but it's also night and day between here and down in Mexico (where you have to bribe the police at a traffic stop or be thrown in jail &/or raped and thrown in jail, and you never phone the policia in an emergency, because it's only going to take a bad situation and make it worse, and in many places the police are split into as many different factions as the cartels), where kidnapping for ransom is fast becoming an institution, there are open revolts in some parts of the country... or even worse in any of the countries which the entire nation is in active revolt or war.

So, from an on the ground point of view, while the US has problems... They both tend to be fairly isolated, and we tend to make a whole lot of noise about our (rare) problems. It's our institutional problems that we are radio silent about. Except during elections.

Case in point:It's abnormal for police to be killing suspects in this country. If it weren't, it wouldn't be in our news. Yes. There are dozens of these cases. And they make the news. Because that's dozens out of hundreds of thousands. So rather than it being our losing faith in our judiciary... People demanding that they adhere to their own standards, is rather the opposite. We still believe in our police, and our police is predominantly outstanding, and we get furious whenever there seems to be some slipping in those standards. Or we wouldn't be calling them to account.
 
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but that doesn't mean that I'm emotionally invested in it
And this is where these types of people and their outrageous behaviour emotes an emotional response in their target. This makes them look crazy. Look at all the kids with parents who smash their kids around or whatever form of abuse may be meted out and the kids are put on drugs to have them be complaint.

I caused just enough damage to protect myself and make him go away.
T-doc and I spoke about this yesterday. This really helped me to define what necessary force is. The goal - make it stop. If I can't step up to their behaviours - can't figure out a way to get my head into what might make it stop, then I need to follow the ideas put out here that I leave.

Was I angry at the situation?
This is a good way of depersonalizing the situation (not to be confused with my own depersonalization). See the situation and not the person within the situation. See it as 'energy' so to speak as @Eleanor pointed out.

Most fights have some degree of control to them.
And this is where my belief system is screwed. I don't believe I have any control in any type of fight. However, there may be hope for me. I can banter successfully. Maybe I can work from there somehow.


And one of the classic signs is losing faith in police/judiciary.
Unless, of course, you have experience with the judicial process. Drunk drivers getting off with a slap if they have money, abused women having their children taken away from them, etc. I don't know if Canada actually has more faith in our judicial process, I think we have just been trained better than others that it is hopeless to say anything about it. Can;t speak for everyone obviously, but my two cents on our judicial system.
 
Right now for me redefining is challenging my black and white thinking. Fighting means death - no death means no fighting. Now I am seeing their are shades of grey (more than 50). I am going back through these posts and reading them with a different perspective. That is golden. I have looked into Aikedo (sp?) and they have classes in the area - I have researched and will call today.

That is the redefinition of me however and my belief systems and viewpoints. I still think we need to challenge where the umbrella term 'mental illness' starts (or who it starts with) and address those who cause the emotional damage in many of those who are labelled as mentally ill.
 
@shimmerz I have a really good local dojo with a website (and videos) to peruse to help in your search. If you've seen the original Karate Kid, martial arts do tend to fall into 1:2 philosophies... The kind where it's about respect & control (Mr. Miyagi) or disrespect & winning at all costs (evil guy's dojo). I went to every local Aikido Dojo and sat through a kids class (as a visitor, not on the mats) to get a feel for them, before bringing my son to any, and before sitting through an adult class. (Bring a friend with you!). But having a template of what "good" looks like in the real world always helps me out big time. PM me

I observe kids classes first, in part because parents watch, so I don't feel weird. But also because kids are really, really telling. They're sponges, and soak up the atmosphere of what is taught and display it like neon signs. Only 2 out of more than a dozen were "Hell no!", but about half had a weird vibe to them. Frenetic. Undisciplined. Weird. The link I'll send you is one of the two best, and flat out the best for kids & beginners (the other is a black belts only school). From the moment I walked in, it just felt capital ess Safe. Serene. Welcoming. Disciplined. Which is exactly as a good dojo should feel. Even full of kids laughing and running around before class. Mad positive energy. And when the kids fall in line, there is instant easy adherence to rules and standards, and bright faces. Every dojo has a bad day (any place that works with kids has a silly-season day from time to time, but if so, they'll tell you it isn't usually like this. If so, try coming back another day.
 
You are not "mentally ill"...you have changes in the brain structures as a result of trauma...you were not born with it...someone else caused it. Maybe we should be talking about mental illness in the same way as physical illness...something isn't working biologically with the brain chemicals and structures? Change "mentally ill" to "someone with a mental illness" helps take away the stigma. The more we talk about it the more the shame goes away...and we take away it's power. You are doing amazing work for yourself AND others...keep up the good work!!
 
Does anyone else feel that by trying to get away from the term mentally ill or by redefining it we ourselves are furthering the stigma of it - I certainly do. Injury or not, our mental health is not good if we have PTSD - no fault, just fact. Therefore we have mental ill health which is by all names mentally ill and if you aren't mentally ill in your eyes then all I can say is its surely offensive to others that are, if you desperately distance yourselves from the term and don't want to be seen as such. What so wrong with being mentally ill, especially if you are?!

When I broke my leg badly I couldn't walk or even stand, it was an injury yes but my physical health was not good, therefore I was physically ill however short or long term it was, how is this any different?
 
Does anyone else feel that by trying to get away from the term mentally ill or by redefining it we ourselves are furthering the stigma of it.
I do. Aside from saying that "I have a mental illness" is more correctly put than "I am mentally ill" (calling yourself by your condition is always a bad idea, you don't say "I am diabetes", you say "I have diabetes") - I believe that everyone should get to call themselves whatever they like, but not at the expense of others.

So, if someone prefers to say "I have x, x, and x diagnosis" as opposed to "I have a mental illness" - that's cool. Just don't tell me that I don't have a mental illness, because I've worked hard to accept it. And I won't tell someone that they must acknowledge their mental illness if they'd prefer to call it something else.

Because yes - even if you 100% believe that PTSD has nothing to do with being mentally ill - you are not helping anyone by pushing an agenda. I'm not saying that is happening right now in this thread, but it was, and it can happen very easily.
 
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