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Sexual Assault Did my ex rape/assault me with bdsm?

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Disregard my replies here because after reading other replies I am now confused about my own experien...

Unfortunately, it sounds like we had similar experiences. I too thought that it was my fault entirely for a long, long time for not questioning prior to agreeing. From what I've read from RAINN and other sites about sexual assault/rape, consent means enthusiastic and informed consent. That means both parties know what's going to happen, and that just because someone says "no" doesn't mean they say "yes". If your husband did stuff to you without your knowing about it beforehand, then he likely sexually assaulted you or raped you.

I don't think what your therapist said was right. He shouldn't be in any way trying to invalidate your experiences. How could you ask him before agreeing if you didn't even know what the hell your husband was going to do, and expected safe, consensual sex? My own therapist never said my experiences were/weren't rape. She let me figure it out on my own time, on my own terms.

I'm sorry to hear that you have a history of sexual abuse. It must make the whole process of dealing with trauma very difficult. Life isn't very fun, is it?
 
That's the thing, though: when you freaked out, your husband stopped. When I tried to pull myself away...
Fear and resistance are part of the fantasy. Do you have reason to believe that he knew this wasn't part of the game?

Minirini, I know my answers sound unsympathetic, but I do understand your fear and confusion. You were each playing a different game, and the intensity of his caught you off guard. This happens when people assume they both want the same thing.
 
Fear and resistance are part of the fantasy. Do you have reason to believe that he knew this wasn't...

Fear and resistance are not always part of the fantasy. It was obviously part of his fantasy but he did not specify it. He did not establish a safeword which strictly means during sex no is no (including her trying to pull away). There are many things he did wrong in this situation and that would not point towards bdsm but in fact, towards assault.

Do you have any experience in actual proper bdsm? I don't ask this to be rude but I think you might just have a bit of misinformation about BDSM. Informed consent is a huge part of it. She also mentioned in another reply that she did not expect for this "roleplay" to begin as soon as she entered his house and that they would discuss it in person before doing anything. Really, after reading her replies, it's pretty clear that what happened was assault.
 
Ok half way into page two and you reject every opinion that doesn't say he raped you.

I have no idea why you posted this if your mind is made up.

I think this is yet another case of someone wanting to be told that they were raped.

And why are you putting all responsibility on him as the initiator? You failed to understand what you were getting into before you said yes.

Did you initiate a conversation about a safe word? Why would you agree to BSDM without a safe word?
 
Safe words really are the tip of the iceberg. There's a lot of different mechanisms built into ordinary bdsm relationships to ensure that everything is done consensually and safely. Even though bdsm can involve rough sex? It doesn't always - for many bdsm couples pain never comes into it.

For all that this doesn't look like a stereotypical case of rape? There seems be some victim-blaming going on here that seems unfair. The OP's posts seem to be consistently clear that "I didn't consent to that". So I'm not really sure in peoples minds how that isn't rape. Naive? Possibly.

This is a person who seems to have been subjected to fairly violent sex acts that she didn't believe she consented to.

She didn't fight back, and she didn't say stop, and she didn't say No. Many of us here can say exactly the same thing about our own experience of rape.
 
Did you initiate a conversation about a safe word? Why would you agree to BSDM without a safe word?

Based on what she has said, it does not seem like she was expecting him to shove, slap, and choke her the instant she walked in the door. She agreed to try BDSM, but it's not like the guy specifically told her that he was going to start the second she was in his presence. It isn't as though she would have been expecting this even if she had been educated about BDSM. There should be a ton of discussion about what is going to happen and what acts each person participating consents to.
 
I thought the whole point of BDSM was informed consent about the fear and pain as part of the fantasy.
What you went through wasn't BDSM. I wouldn't even call it BDSM gone wrong. BDSM does not involve concussions. It was domestic violence, assault, etc.
I know what rough sex is and I enjoy it. But this? This BDSM incident? I didn't enjoy it at all and I was too scared to say no.
There are 4 types of survival responses to trauma: fight, flight, freeze, or fawn. Fawning is basically appeasement of the abuser. Folks outside of this situation can zero in on how you didn't say no, and say you should have fought back. However, the interaction with him in person didn't start off with a "hi, how are you? Ready to do that BDSM fantasy now?" and then setting up the boundaries for the BDSM to keep everyone safe and from BDSM slipping into abuse.

It started off with being slammed into the wall, a clear physical threat to the body. You froze and fawned. Survival responses. Instead of beating yourself up for not fighting back more, be proud you did what you had to do to survive it with the least amount of harm.

It is true that he can't know what's in your head, or your level of fear, unless you communicate it. That doesn't absolve him of being responsible for his behavior. Should you have communicated more about what you were agreeing to do before doing it? Sure. But just because I would agree for someone to take my backpack from me doesn't mean that it's ok for them to suddenly hold a gun to my head to do it. If I also willingly give up everything I own because a gun is pointed to my head, it doesn't mean it's suddenly not theft just because I gave it up to not be harmed.

No matter what he wants to call it, what he did was clear abuse. He did an damn good job of acting in a manner that would make many reasonable people shit scared to do something different than what he was asking and physically pushing you to do. He could easily claim that he misunderstood, you texted consent to BDSM, he is a novice at BDSM and don't know about safe words and all that (which I find doubtful because he did know what BDSM was...) He could try to weasel out of responsibility if you ever sought charges... But at the end of the day, your recovery is key, and the event still had the impact of a trauma on you all the same.

Don't go down the road of blaming yourself for not knowing he would do this. I'm guessing that an honest assessment of the relationship might mean that you discover other signs he was not a great person to be with.... but that doesn't make you responsible for knowing what's in his head and being able to predict what he would do without him saying it. Perps can be really good at hiding their intentions until it's too late to run away. It's how they get away with it.

Keep up the good work to heal from this and the other trauma you have been through.
 
I'm curious, @minirini - how old were you and your boyfriend when this happened?

What bothers me about your posts, is you are trying to make him responsible for not telling you more before the event even occurred.
While you are acknowledging that yes, you had a responsibility to do your part in the relationship and ask questions before you agreed to "try BDSM" (saying that loosely, because it doesn't sound like either of you had an understanding of what it is).

You are describing him as the person who had done this before, and therefore should have known better. But that's not at all true. From what you describe it's clear that he had as little knowledge as you did. The only difference between the two of you was, you believed you were "supposed" to let him do what he wanted, and you did not treat him like a person you were in a consent relationship with.


So on the night we agreed to try BDSM, he and I went over to his apartment. To my shock, as soon as we entered the apartment, he just proceeded straight to knocking my head against the wall, slapping me, lightly strangling me, and ordering me to do things to him. He had never mentioned that he would get that violent.
I agreed to BDSM, so technically I consented, but I didn't agree to his version of BDSM. He never discussed his BDSM fantasy in detail, just asked about anal sex. Then again, if I asked for clarifying information, perhaps this whole thing never would have happened.
So he did have a vague clue that one is supposed to agree to limits. And he asked about them. He didn't know that the submissive in BDSM is actually in control of the scenario. He was supposed to?
During the BDSM, since he was in the position of complete power, and he knew this was my first time with BDSM, he should have checked in with me at various points throughout the whole thing. He may not have intentionally coerced me and hurt me, but the fact is that he did. He traumatized me.
No, he did not coerce you. He did hurt you physically. I understand that it was a really dreadful experience.
On his part, he should have made sure I fully understood what he meant, and since he was the initiator asking me to try something new, he should have asked me how I was at various points throughout the whole experience.
This is just trying to pass accountability to him. It's simply not true.
Then again, no matter what the sexual act, which in this case is BDSM, there should be ongoing consent and either partner theoretically should be able to say no at any time. He used enough force to scare me into being unable to say no.
Be honest: was there ever a point that you wondered if you should say no, but were embarrassed to, or afraid to - not out of fear for your life, but of fear that you'd be somehow damaging the relationship?
But was it my fault that I didn't feel safe enough to say "no" or "stop" because of fear and being coerced into performing oral sex? No. He was in charge and he had the responsibility of making sure he didn't actually hurt me or scare me to the point of being speechless. Responsibility cuts both ways.
No. Again, he was not in charge, you were - and if either of you had spent 30 minutes on the internet, you would have learned that.
in my opinion, the person who initiates also has a responsibility to make sure both parties are on the same page
I can't stress enough, that this may be your opinion, but it is very, very not how it works. When it comes to your body and your mind and your sexual health - you, and only you, are responsible.

Don't confuse responsibility with blame. You were responsible, and there is no-one to blame in this scenario, because blame simply cannot be assigned.
I'm trying to figure out something because the fact is that no matter whose fault it is, the fact still remains that he hurt me quite unexpectedly and badly.
I believe you, absolutely. And this is a real thing. If you are still together with this guy, you've got to talk about it. If you are not, you still may want to talk about it - or, you may want to work out your experience of what happened with a therapist.

Let's be clear - sex is often weird, feels impossible to talk about, there's a lot of anxiety and shame around even existing as a sexual human in a relationship. Am I doing it right? Doing it wrong? I hate doing this, but they seem to like it...so do I just keep doing it? They do this thing with me, I don't like, but I don't want them to be embarrassed...So many hurdles. And this is why, I don't think that assigning blame is possible here. Both you and he were responsible for things. Both you and he made mistakes. There is a good chance that if you told him how this was for you, he would be incredibly guilt-ridden and it could f*ck him up for a big chunk of time, same way it's f*cking you up. Seriously. Have you ever accidentally hurt someone, badly, but did not know it at the time? I once heard a noise and was so startled I turned quickly and elbowed a kid in the nose so hard, it started bleeding. Crowded street, surprising alarm going off on the building right next to where I was walking...I should not have stopped so short and turned on a crowded, moving street. Mom should not have been following so close behind me. I should not have been counterbalancing my backpack. Kid should have had a little more awareness. Store should not have tested their alarm system in the middle of foot-traffic rush hour.

Everyone can have fault, and no-one can have blame.
 
As I've said multiple times, I should have asked for clarification and a safe word. What I did or did not do was due to negligence and ignorance. I take full responsibility for this.

I'm not rejecting every single opinion that says I wasn't raped. I can see how from a different point of view, he had no idea what I wanted, so how would he know I didn't want to be hit, slapped, etc.? I don't think he meant to hurt me in such a way. I'm not saying he had bad intentions at all. If you met him in person, you'd think he was a very sweet man.

As surprising as this sounds, I don't want to be told I was raped, because to this day I don't want to lay the blame on him. I never wanted to lay the blame on him because I thought he was a respectful and considerate partner. If anything, for years the finger-pointing has been at myself and I refused to believe he had done anything wrong or hurt me, though he stepped over a few boundaries and hurt me a lot physically. He even later got another woman pregnant near the end of our relationship but I still didn't want to believe he'd disrespect our relationship like that.

In consensual BDSM as well as "normal" sex, the dominant person or initiator has a responsibility to check in with their partner and vice versa, no matter if the two have very different ideas about what their sexual experience is going to be like. The submissive person has the responsibility to say "I don't like this, let's stop." I don't think you can deny that fact. So he had a responsibility to check in and I had a responsibility to say "stop." Neither of us did that and we both are at fault. But I'm not trying to ask who's at fault, because clearly both of us are. I'm trying to label his actions. If what he did doesn't legally or otherwise count as rape or assault, so be it.

I don't take the word "rape" lightly and I don't use it for attention. Even now, I'm hesitant to say that he raped me, because "rape" carries such strong negative connotations. I'm hesitant to say that he "assaulted" me because I don't want to believe that he did that. I would much rather believe that it was just crossed wires and that he didn't cause physical and emotional pain. But the fact is that even if it was unintentional, what he did--ignoring boundaries or nonverbal cues to stop, hitting and frightening me in a way that I didn't expect--hurt me and was wrong. I'm trying to find a name for how he hurt me. The closest words I can find to describe how he hurt me are "rape" and "sexual assault." If you guys have any better terms that acknowledge the damage done, but that aren't "rape," "sexual assault," or "abuse," then please tell me. I'd love to know them.

Yes, rape fantasies and rough physical treatment are part of BDSM. But honestly, I had no idea he was going to act out a rape fantasy, if that was his intention. That's such a strong and dangerous fantasy to enact, and given he knew it was my first time and he was the one who had that fantasy, he should have had enough knowledge or common sense to know that you don't just start "raping" someone without informed consent. Sex and planned (on his part) violence aren't involuntary reflexes.

As for my assumptions: If he has never showed such aggressive behavior in the past, it's reasonable on my part to assume that he won't suddenly hit me, knock me against the wall, or act out a rape fantasy the first time we do BDSM. If your maid has never stolen something in the past, it's reasonable to assume that she won't steal your jewelry, but regardless of assumptions, since she did steal jewelry, she committed theft.
 
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