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This Is Difficult - Training And Flashbacks

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AS1975

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Ok, I've been involved in some serious traumatic events involving fire.

I was in a hotel fire in 2000 that saw me woken up accidentally, about 10 minutes before the roof fell in, and while fighting the fire I was seriously disorientated, suffered major smoke inhalation and felt extremely anxious while running, blind, along a hallway/verandah while unable to see my hand in front of my face due to thick, choking smoke. I also, while fighting the fire, got to see the roof start to collapse and have the flames coming over the top of me while walking backwards (the flames were moving faster than I could move) and I got seriously singed. Soon after that fire (about 3 weeks), there was another fire in a similar building (just up the road) in that instance, 15 people did not get out, they died in the thick smoke due to disorientation and smoke inhalation.

As such my dreams became filled with images of both what I experienced directly and what I experienced vicariously (ie. from television coverage of the fatal fire and the coroners report which I just had to read) and mixed up crap combining the two. In my dreams I was always woken too late, I was always disorientated due to thick, choking smoke and I could not find my way out. I never, ever got out, night after night I never ever got out.

Then in late 2009 I was involved in a fire at home. I was cooking, a pot full of oil caught alight and I went to shift it so it didn't burn the cupboards above the stove. My hand stuck to the handle, so I could not do what I meant to do next, which was use the fire blanket next to the stove to smother the flames (ever tried to operate on of them suckers left-handed with a burning pot in the right hand?), and as the cupboards were child-proofed, I couldn't open the cupboard to get a lid out, to smother the flames either.

I went to try and put the pot somewhere safe so I could get my hand off the handle, but I couldn't put it in the sink as there was a wooden ledge above it. I decided to put it down on the tiled floor in the laundry (not the polished floors in the kitchen) but I had forgotten that I'd put the dog out and not secured the back door. A gust of wind caught me en-route, I automatically (reflexively) threw my hands up to protect my face from the wind-driven flames, the pot left my hand, the burning oil went up and came down, next thing I know I'm covered in burning oil, I actually recall thinking "f*ck I'M ON FIRE!".

I knew the ground was covered in burning oil, so I didn't "stop, drop & roll", instead I patted the fire out with my hands (sustaining further burns in the process), then I used my bare feet to put out the fire on the ground. The pain was intense, when the fire was out, I immediately rang 000. When they answered I asked if they could "send an ambulance I have just been on fire", at which point they asked me to "calm down and ring back". I hung up and proceeded to walk into the shower fully clothed. I remember thinking that people scream and it seems to help with pain, so I tried it, but it did bugger all for me.

I ended up shifting the super-heated pot which had started burning into the floorboards, and rechecking to see if the fire was out, then I went out to the footpath to ring 000 again on the portable phone, I stood there on the footpath spraying the hose all over me. I had skin hanging off in strips from both arms, my ears were swollen balls of puss, I had virtually no hair, my face was bright red with large bulging sacs of fluid and my t-shirt and jeans had large white patches where the dye had been burned out. I was something of a sight, but no-one stopped and no-one helped, I had to save myself AGAIN. I ended up getting the ambulance to the Hospital then I was placed in an induced coma for 3 days, to deal with the pain (and while intubated to deal with the burns to my airways and lungs), I also had skin-grafts to both arms and both hands, as well as to my right foot.

The dreams and flashbacks after this were intense and way too vivid. The old dream had incorporated my newfound knowledge of what it actually feels like when fire bites and it didn't improve the overall picture very much at all. I now was trapped, couldn't get out, then on fire every bloody night, sometimes several times a night. I was also all alone and could rely on no-one but myself to get out, nobody was ever going to come and get me out if I was stuck.

As my nature is to go at fear or anxiety like a bull at a gate, and hiding from my nature obviously wasn't working that well, I decided to apply to join the local volunteer fire service. I was accepted in mid-2010 and commenced training at that time. I had one bad night, where the effects of a training day coupled with a minor incident at home (a heater exploded - I emptied an ABE (powder) extinguisher into it and that worked) saw me experience a new type of flashback, a total disassociation coupled with a vivid and compelling reliving of events that never actually happened, WHILE AWAKE. I've never experienced fear like it, I was actually tripping and it couldn't be stopped.

But I persevered, yesterday I went on a BA (Breathing Apparatus) training course. The course involved wearing Self-Contained Breathing Apparatus (SCBA) into enclosed spaces, with both simulated scenarios (smoke machines) and actual fire and smoke. Now, the actual fire and smoke situation didn't bother me all that much, but the simulation situation involved going into a training area, with dense white smoke and near total darkness, with furniture and other items strewn about in a chaotic manner, with no lifeline/guideline or hoses to use to find your way back out.

I HATED IT, I persevered, but I hated it. I used more air from my tank than anyone else due to the anxiety it produced and consequently my warning whistle went off sooner than expected. I was utterly disorientated (as was everyone else on the course) and had to actually stand there, mask on, trying to find my way out without panicking. I did not panic, but I had to be actually assisted out of the building by a training officer before I literally ran out air (I wasn't going to bust out by removing the mask which was an option we were given) and passed out.

Anyone else done this? Any ideas?
 
I have not experienced the trauma with fire as you have. But when my mom was in a plane crash I had dreams and nightmares of her on fire burning up. I think after what you have been through you are perfectly normal. I am sorry these things happened to you, and you are enduring and suffering so much now. I am sorry you are in so much pain and anguish.

For me the dreams and nightmares eventually went away. My moms body was burned beyond recognition and they identified her with dental records.

You have been greatly traumatized, be gentle on you and do good things for you. I really feel for you.
 
Well, as I've mentioned one of my medical traumas is from IM injections. For years I've had them and they always were very painful. But I'm very bull headed myself and only accepted that as a challenge. I made it a mind over matter thing. So I continued to keep getting the IM injections even though they only became tougher and tougher to deal with. It got to the point where I was going into bolidly shock, broke out into cold sweats, dissociated, and eventually began to black out. What once took me 5 min of recovery took me days to recover from.

I kept pushing myself. Telling myself I could deal with it, because I had to, I need the IM injections for treatment since I have severe nerve and muscle damage from Shingles (viral reactivation of chicken pox). I've had nightmares reliving the pain over and over again. When people go to touch me where I've had the injections I immediately dissociate to being back on that exam table being phsycially held down by nurses in case I has involuntary body jerks (that doesn't fly when you have a needle deep in your face, thus the restraint).

I remember distinctly seeing the nurses faces as they hold me down. Not that they could have done anything if I did spasm, but their holding on me made me mentally force myself not to move, especially the ones that held my hand saying squeeze as hard as you like if you can. If I did squeeze I could have broken their hands, so I forced myself to lay still. I remember how my body would tense and fire. The cold. How cold everything was. My fingernails would turn blue from lack of circulation. The ceiling of the exam room. How after the injections were done I couldn't understand what people were saying to me. How I knewI was alive but I wasn't there mentally at all. I was essentially comatose from the shock.

There are days when I can look back on it with detachment as if it never really happened to me. And then I can relive it in nightmares. And those nightmares will blend with other mideical treatments I've had to endure... or just days of blinding pain from the shingles themself.

It always gets worse when I know I need to have another treatment.

Honestly though, like I posted in a different thread, I've just come to the decision to say F it. Enough is enough. I'm tired of trying to be strong in that situation. It's not worth it. I will face my fears but I will do it in terms that are easier on myself. It's not something I can escape, it's a treatment I HAVE to have over and over again. But at least now it'll be easier. It's inconvient for the doctor and everyone involved because the treatment now means "day surgery" in a hospital instead of a walk in appointment at a clinic. But at this point they can just deal with it.

This has been going on for years. Hopefully now that I'm getting sedated maybe they won't be as intense since I won't have to go through it the same process, but that's yet to be seen.

What you've been through is terrible. The only reason I've been able to face my issues is because I'm forced to. I have to keep recieving treatment if I want to be able to function in the world and not be hospitalized for the rest of my life. Honestly, it AMAZES me that you're VOLUNTEERING to do that. I just... I can't imagine doing that after everything you've been through. I don't think I could do that if I were in your shoes.

I'm kind of really in awe right now...

I'm not really sure if I answered your question (I have a nasty habit of rambling on and on) but I think you should be really proud of yourself. You're facing it head on. You didn't bail out when you had the option. You hated it but still continued on. There's a quote that says "True courage is not the absence of fear -- but the willingness to proceed in spite of it."

Seriously... you're living that.

Should you keep on doing that by putting yourself in a stressful situation? Hell if I know. But you've just proven that you can overcome that obstacle.
 
Phoenix, I can't accept that, especially not from someone who has steeled themselves to face bloody awful pain, knowing what is GOING to happen, no ifs no buts no maybes, if they submit to the procedures. I honestly couldn't imagine HAVING to do that, I wouldn't have the guts:

“I wanted you to see what real courage is, instead of getting the idea that courage is a man with a gun in his hand. It's when you know you're licked before you begin, but you begin anyway and see it through no matter what.([Atticus Finch] Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird)"

I can face fear, it is hardly an unknown and it doesn't actually hurt, I can even force myself to do so on the basis I know how I react in pressure situations, I can do it whereas I know damn well some cannot (and I couldn't forgive myself if someone was sent in in my stead and they got hurt when I wouldn't have). That isn't bravery, it is accepting a part of my makeup that I hid from due to fear for a long time. I don't do it because I want to, but because I'm scared not to (I have too much on my conscience already).
 
AS1975 you're just going to have to accept it.

I've been thinking about this for the past two days (thus the reason for the delayed response) and in the end I think it just comes down to the fact that what we've both experienced is so glaringly different we can't see eye for eye on this. What I do is normal for me, and what you do is normal for you.

I can't understand how or why you do what you do. But I respect it. It blows me away that you're volunteering despite what happened.

I mean that. I highly doubt I could do that.

Whether you want it or not you've got my vote of confidence.
 
I was wondering about the delay, I hope you took what I said as truth because it is. Like I said above, I can get my head around situations where I "might" get hurt, I can take heart from the fact I probably won't get hurt and the sure knowledge that if it gets to that point, I'm trained and experienced in such situations to the extent that I can rely upon my own reactions. I honestly don't think I would find it possible to continually go into situations where I am going to get hurt in cold-blood, without the chances and without the adrenal surge. So you have my vote of confidence and I thank you for yours.:)

One thing I got from the training exercise, when I thought about it (surprising me not one bit I was up most of two nights considering it), is that for the first time in my life I could actually rely upon someone else coming to help me. I not only was meant to trust them, I did trust them and they came through. Maybe that is what we were supposed to learn? Kind of heartening isn't it?
 
Haha. See I'm exactly the opposite. I like the black and white of it all. If it's going to hurt I want to know. I'll put on my big girl pants and just deal with it. If it's not done then nothing will be resolved. In my mind it's a no brainer. A girl has got to do what a girl has got to do. It's all about survival and making a life for myself. And if that's what I need to do then by God I'm going to do it. At least that way I KNOW what's happening. I can prepare myself for it. I can be angry about it sure, but that doesn't change the fact that's the way it is.

That's what I've trained myself for.

What you do... that grey area.... the "might" now that kills me. You've trained yourself to deal with it should the time come... I don't know. That just doesn't sit well with me for some reason. I can't wrap my mind around that. I usually think in terms of "It either is or isn't" that in between seems scary. And the relying on someone else to come through....

Honestly it sounds amazing. That you're seeing that you can trust someone with something so precious as your life. That... that takes some serious moxy :P Hands down. I think you're a lot farther along than I am in this. I've taught myself to rely on myself. No one can take my pain away for me so I need to be self sufficient. I can't rely on someone to do that for me. So everything you're saying is in direct opposition to what I know.

It seems like a far away dream what you're talking about. Trusting someone to come through for you in a critical time. I'm glad you're experiencing that. I can't even imagine what that feels like but I hope it feels nice.

(Also yea... again sorry about the delay, this thread has had me thinking far more than I expected)
 
I can do it whereas I know damn well some cannot (and I couldn't forgive myself if someone was sent in in my stead and they got hurt when I wouldn't have). That isn't bravery, it is accepting a part of my makeup that I hid from due to fear for a long time. I don't do it because I want to, but because I'm scared not to (I have too much on my conscience already).

I know that feeling. 'If not me, who?', eh? They're going to put that on my gravestone. :D
 
How the hell do I deal with it when people who matter simply don't give two hoots about it when I have a difficult day at training?

When I'm in that mask I'm hyperventilating, struggling to control my breathing which is really making the bits everyone else struggles with hard to concentrate on. Everyone struggles with restricted visibility, orientation, overheating and the rest in a structure fire, but the added trouble is backbreaking. I'm trying to psych myself up for that and at the same time I'm getting hammered at home for not doing enough?

That is not to mention when doing the bushfire survival plan - the whole "where will you be if this needs to be implemented?", "Why won't you be with your family?", crap. I tell you where I'll be, probably between the fire and my home and loved ones, working my butt off trying to ensure that they survive.
 
Long ago, my cousin and I were bound and determined to break the gender gap in the local volunteer fire service, during SCBA (non-smokehouse) training we found out that she was claustrophobic. The guys thought it was hilarious to watch her floundering around, screaming, panicking and tearing at her mask. I stepped up and put an end to it, helped her get the mask off, calmed her down and screamed at them for being so damned insensitive. She never came back and I was far more determined to break their attitudes toward women after that. I left and became a medic, the rest of the guys are still volunteering.

I guess what I'm saying is that I know how disorienting it is to not be able to see, have your air run low and start to panic without PTSD playing into it, I can't imagine doing it with PTSD. As a medic, I did the best I could to force myself to function on calls after my traumatic incident, I turned off my emotions, ran on adrenalin and broke down each night I came home and it was not a fun situation to be in. I could not think on calls, I was constantly having to read protocols over and over on calls, repeatedly have people double and triple check my drugs......not a good space....and it only served to add to my stress by being there.

My hubby didn't understand each night when we'd get home and I'd still be in tears, shaking over a call that happened weeks before - he always expected I'd had yet another 'bad call' that particular day. It was hard for him to get how each day made things worse for me, so yeah, I hear what you're saying.
 
Yeah, I didn't have any trouble with the actual heat, the smoke, or with claustrophobia, it was simply the immediate hyperventilation whenever I flashed to being in that bloody fire. I held it in well enough, I just went through considerably more air than anyone else (embarassing but I have burn scars to show why I 'might' get a little anxious). We'll see, I think I can master it, it'll just take time, but I did pass the SCBA course, the Urban Firefighting course and the ancillary practical courses, I'm just going to need to bust my butt on the training (train like you'll fight, or die like you trained). On the plus side, hypervigilance is a boon when searching for dummies:p
 
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