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In regards to the original question, a different way to look at it: what is so good about becoming m...
#4-You think integration removes the stigma? How so? I get how integration can improve quality of life with 1,2 and 3. Do you see integration as a cure....no more label?
 
makes it sound like the two are the same thing

If you want to know my intent, I'll be glad to share :)
I would never try to diminish anyone's experience.

I quoted @Punky143 "Maybe its people like us who are the norm and society has it all wrong? "

That's what caught my eye.
The thought expressed.
I had a similar thought and it led me to that book.

It's not about DID...
I never said or implied it was.
I have no control over others perception nor does it belong to me.

I gave no explanation as to why because that's not how I view books or learning.
I was not giving a directive or making any kind of statement.
I just dropped a suggestion.
If the title piqued any interest, it could have been easily Googled, the synapsis read...
or not...
I had no intent on following up.
It was a split-second decision on a whim
while stepping out of the confines of my diary
and here I am "explaining myself" ... Oh what fun...

There are lessons on awareness to be found in that book.

At least I thought so.
 
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I would never try to diminish anyone's experience.
A persons experience is one thing, a mental health diagnosis is another entirely. They are not the same discussion. A persons experience can be validated, invalidated. A mental health diagnosis is hypothesis (defined as: a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation). Mental health diagoses are very much based on limited, factual, evidence.
 
Your interpretation of what I said, is inaccurate. I did not blanket, I stated nothing more than what you c...

How do you fake PTSD and why would anybody do that?

Some want to be part of something because they feel it makes their suffering more valuable. Media certainly...

I am a big fan of research-based theories supporting persuasive arguments. I'm educated in statistical design and understand how research has to be crafted in order to be valid, reliable, and therefore useful in conversation whose intent is to persuade. Anthony@ ….something you said doesn't make sense to me. You seem in prior posts to utilize data to support many of your points. Data may or may not be statistically valid, reliable, or significant and the method in which it was gathered, the audience it was gathered from, and the safety precautions used to retain validity is important, so we can fish statistics out of all kinds of studies and it doesn't necessarily mean a thing. First, most mental health data is not very valid, or reliable for a number of possible reasons-but most often....too many variables uncontrolled. PTSD presents in so many ways, and the counseling/psychology community can't even agree on DSM 5 mental health categories. Because there are so many variables at the basic levels, I believe little valid evidence exists to support your claim of people faking it...this is my opinion.

Okay. I'm wondering how anyone could craft a statistically significant research in such a way to support your statement about how one fakes PTSD and why? In my opinion, only a sick person or someone who knows that they have PTSD or MH problems, because they own the history and scars to prove it, would intentionally claim it. Additionally, suggesting or identifying a person's motives for his/her claiming to have PTSD is highly subjective, and non of us, even if we observed a person being what I loosely might term a "PTSD WannaBe," would be able to identify that person's reasons for claiming the label. I don't believe any of us can climb into another's head and know their reasons or intentions for any of their behaviors. I doubt you could get reliable research that is statistically significant to support your position about why they would fake it. Moreover, I might acknowledge that there are people so so lonely or sick from another MH diagnosis and they have been misdiagnosed several times, that they may see themselves as having PTSD-(finally think they've figured out why they are different) and their intention is not to fake it.(faking suggests manipulation, deceit and lying). I think the words faking imply dishonesty..I feel the vast majority of these cases you call faking, are people seeking an explanation. Accusing others of faking PTSD for attention, or drama, is like saying there is real PTSDers and Wantabee PTSders.

I leave you with this.....I have epilepsy characterized by "real seizures as defined by the Epilepsy Society and a whole bunch of medical research. I assert I have "real epilepsy" like you have "real PTSD"

I too, have PTSD. Would you be bold enough to ask me, what kind of epilepsy do I have so you can pick my symptoms apart to discern whether I was faking....whether it was medical (brain based) or psychological (to some doctors the latter type is referred to as fake epilepsy)….the real kind where the EEG registers seizures or psychogenic seizures where the EEG is normal and the cause, something else like stress and trauma.

You know, it doesn't matter what kind of seizures they are or what causes them or whether they fit the criteria for either category (label).....because the bottom line is that two different people, one with each type suffer the same: the humiliation and confusion of a seizure and the panic that ensues, along with loss of independence. The latter person suffers more because it is characterized as a mental health issue, and doctors look down upon people with psychologically linked seizures. I think if you assumed I was just faking my seizures so I could claim the label PTSD, with the stigma attached to seizures, I would not feel welcomed and I'd have the same feeling as I get with doctors......hurt.

Saying people go around faking PTSD or any other medical disorder is also dismissive....it is simpler than that in my opinion...... people with mental health problems are sick and searching like those of us here, are looking for answers , wanting to improve quality of life and find a better way of living.

A persons experience is one thing, a mental health diagnosis is another entirely. They are not the same dis...

A person's experience can not be validated by another. It is based totally from perception. Perception can't be measured.

Could you record your sessions? I use my cell to record the audio of all my sessions because I have...

I wouldn't record sessions....that would be like keeping old text messages, and I'd go back and mull over them....that would keep me too focused on the past...to the what was....and I'd waste time listening over and over and teasing out what was said, and what was meant. Nope...I don't think recording would work for me. But if it works for you....that's great.
 
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How do you fake PTSD and why would anybody do that?
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I can’t understand how you cannot accept that people fake ptsd. If there is a disorder, you can assume that there are people who fake it.

Based on your lengthy rebuttal, I’m guessing you have a dog in this fight, that perhaps you were accused of faking PTSD or maybe it was hard for you to be diagnosed and doctors thought you had something else?

I guess I just don’t understand why you’re arguing so vehemently that nobody fakes PTSD. (They do.) It’s the en Vogue disorder right now, so cool to have. A study is not needed to determine if PTSD is faked.

I guess I’m just wondering where your argument comes from as it’s not logical and I’m guessing it’s emotionally/personally based.
 
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In my opinion, only a sick person or someone who knows that they have PTSD or MH problems, because they own the history and scars to prove it, would intentionally claim it.

Nope. You are wrong. My father tried to fake PTSD with the VA and was sent to a contracted non-VA psychiatrist (who said he didn't have PTSD) to try to get more VA benefits. Non-sick people that don't have PTSD indeed fake or attempt to fake PTSD for various of reasons. Your arguement is null and void.
 
I can’t understand how you cannot accept that people fake ptsd. If there is a disorder,...

Eve, I'm sure people fake being all kinds of things in life-heck we all try to fake "normal" whatever that is...and....some succeed better than others. Many days I plaster a smile on my face and fake happy, and this is contrary to what I might feel inside at the moment. Almost everyone of us has faked something at sometimes and done it multiple times! I've faked being sick so I could take a sick day. People with PTSD work hard each day to "appear to fit in"...that's faking. People with a variety of mental health issues do to....and people who don't know they have MH problems fake fitting in. I'm sure you and Anthony and I all have faked things......it is human nature. The topic changed to "faking PTSD" but it went in the direction of "fakers" -people willfully trying to have a diagnosis when they don't.....to be something they aren't. We fake everything else, why would faking PTSD be anything unusual.....and why do people on a journey for their own wellness even care if others are faking. We can't control that and it doesn't impact us in any way.

So many others don't understand the challenges of people with PTSD or DID, and how we feel different. I just guess the finger pointing at PTSDer WannaBe's was unexpected to hear on this site. Came off a bit judgemental. I wouldn't want anyone pointing their finger in my direction and remotely implying that I was faking something and it is not my place to do to others. The focus is us....not other people who don't exist, who might or might not be faking being a PTSDWannaBe. Whether there are people are faking PTSD or not, anyone who tries to fake PTSD is doing the same thing we all are here, trying to cope with being different, trying to connect, be functional, and finding a way to fit in and move on and eventually, be content with life.

But I find, as a relative newcomer to this site, and one struggling to decide where I fit in with PTSD brand, I find this topic of "faking" judgemental and a focus on the negative. That's all. Other people's faking does not impact you or I, and we can't control it, it doesn't help us in our day or on our journey. The conversation just kind of puts me off....that's all. So I won't reply to this thread again.

I can’t understand how you cannot accept that people fake ptsd. If there is a disorder,...

I have no dog in this fight....I have special needs trauma children who have been accused of "attention seeking" from administrators who disbelieve that they can't remember a traumatic event at school. I have DID kids and can't talk to certain administrators who don't believe in "parts". I see what judgmental behavior can do to little ones, why this thread rubs me the wrong way. We all know what it feels like not to be believed, yet we sit and waste time focusing on not believing others....yes, faking is real for everyone. Are we better because we are really PTSDers and not PTSD fakers? I don't understand the relevance of the conversation. I do know I'll believe someone without question if they say they have PTSD.....it's not mine to question.
 
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Eve, I'm sure people fake being all kinds of things in life-heck we all try to fake "normal" whatever t...

That’s where I believe you’re flat out wrong.

Ptsd fakers DO hurt us!

The fakers can suddenly “heal” and give a false impression to the public that ptsd is so easy to get over, that it’s no big deal.

The fakers can take away resources from those of us who really need the help.

I’m not sure why you’re so offended at those of us who dislike the fakers. Again, this is your issue. Nobody is sitting here saying that actual ptsd sufferers don’t have ptsd. We are saying that the fakers do exist and they can have a negative impact on those of us who are actually suffering with PTSD. It’s a bit naive IMHO to say that the fakers don’t influence us. They DO.

It’s not a question of who is better but I can see why you’re offended because you put it in terms of better and worse.

I highly suggest that you work on your own self acceptance because I’m guessing this is where your argument stems from.
 
That’s where I believe you’re flat out wrong.

Ptsd fakers DO hurt us!

The fakers can sudde...

Glad you can climb in my head and know what I need to do.....my argument....judgmental...thank you....I'll go take care of me, because we see this differently. See you later.
 
People do fake PTSD and DID @Bkinder, and that’s not to say your children are or are not doing this. That’s important to keep in mind. You react to the someone stating reality that some do fake PTSD as if it is an accusation or judgement against you or those you love when it’s not.

I think PTSD may attract fakers more than other mental health conditions because of the nature of one of the criterion for the diagnosis includes a history of a certain severity of trauma. People use the diagnosis of PTSD or DID and a badge of validation for their traumatic history really being that bad all the time.

Very few people proudly claim a diagnosis of schizophrenia, or a whole handful of other mental health disorders, in the same way that they do with PTSD. Most diagnosis are not seen as validation of a past traumatic event really being that bad. There is general less “benefit” in a false claim of those disorders. People are not as sympathetic.

But with PTSD, some do treat it the diagnosis as s badge that life was that bad for things outside of what actually contributes to PTSD.

It happens here on the forums all the time. People seek a self proclaimed PTSD diagnosis to validate the suffering from everything from a break up to PMS to a stubbed toe to a bad trip. When that’s not needed to validate pain, and frankly, the vast majority of people who go through severe trauma do not end up with the mental health disorder of PTSD in the first place. You claim that someone’s history and scars prove PTSD, and that’s simply not true. Traumatic history does not equal PTSD.

Plus, treating something like grief or the mental health symptoms of a bad high, or etc, as PTSD, when it’s another mental health condition - could lead people away from effective treatment and recovery. It’s harmful to people to be misdiagnosed.

Contrary to your claim that fakers do not impact those with a valid diagnosis, they actually do. In fact, it increases the suspicion of those with valid PTSD that they might be faking. Example in a different but related setting: the more people that fake a PTSD service dog, the harder my life becomes as someone with a legit service dog. More people suspect I’m faking too, when I’m not, and I’m under greater scrutiny and headache. I deal with it daily.

There are plenty of people and therapists who overly pathologize themselves or their clients for gain. There are also those with legit PTSD or DID that seek attention for their pathology or stay in a state of learned helplessness when it comes to recovery. That does exist.

DID is more complex than PTSD alone, but I do believe DID is at times over diagnosed. To the detriment of those with legit DID. Again, this is not a comment on any specific person with DID.

I speak from personal experience. I was diagnosed as having DID when I did not and do not have DID. A trauma “expert” declared I had DID, one declared I simply was not in touch with my parts having names and thought that over time I would finally tell her the name of my angry part as Mary and stuff like that. All she had was a hammer and she was determined to confront me that I was a nail. She went on to say “there is no hope for you outside of treatment with me.” I was sent to her as an outside requirement by others early in my recovery, and I quickly had that requirement lifted... She was wack. I can speak from personal experience there are screwy therapists out there. Does that mean they are all bad? Nope. Of course not.

Being wrongly diagnosed with DID cost me money, time, damaged my physical and mental health, and shut doors to the treatment I actually needed for what I was actually struggling with. Even accessing medical care was a mess. A doctor would see the diagnosis of DID and everything I said and did was under greater suspicion and stigma. It took time, but my life got a lot easier when that diagnosis was off my chart, and nothing else changed. Now my care providers are extremely careful even when they mention a PTSD diagnosis and they leave off dissociative symptoms, just so that I’m treated better when trying to acces care and other things I need and any mental health diagnosis comes up.

In the US there is also a culture of therapy lasting years and years, sometimes decades. I think the US is a society hungry for connection and some therapists get into a habit of creating over dependence on the therapist because both therapist and client are hungry for connection and relationship — Rather than doing the harder work of building up natural supports and connections. Therapists should be trying to work themselves out of a job.

Back to the original topic. Do some people have legit DID? Of course. For those that do, working on reducing symptoms and increasing functioning is a beneficial thing. Therapy can help considerably, and in that context, a diagnosis may be a very helpful tool for the relatively rare condition of DID.

Not having DID symptoms, or symptoms of any mental health disorder, is beneficial.
 
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