Deemed "untreatable."

[Animalliberator]

Animal, you're doing yourself a huge disservice by blaming your issues on PTSD and saying your PTSD is untreatable. It's like using chemo to treat diabetes and getting pissed when it doesn't work.

I'm finding your comments lacking in compassion, Solara. I have been diagnosed with PTSD because of severe and prolong childhood abuse and possible sexual abuse (I say, "possible" because I am still not certain that the images I experienced during EMDR are based in historic fact).

I never said I didn't know what grounding is. I said I don't believe in the concept. I don't believe it helps deal with severe trauma.

Again, please don't assume to know me. You don't. I would request that you try to extend some compassion.

 

[Deleted member 1860]

With all due respect, Solara, you are once again incorrect. And again, you don't know me. Please stop trying to analyze someone you don't know.

No I'm not. It's basic PSYCHOLOGY. Don't tell me to shut up. You can't control the responses you get. And your mind is so incredibly closed that....well, we won't go there. You don't want help. You want to stir the pot. I smell a small creature that lives under bridges.....

 

[Animalliberator]

This therapist is an idiot as is any therapist who knows you are borderline.

Actually, Solara, this therapist is the very first one I have grown to trust. She is extremely gentle with me, doesn't push me to talk about disturbing issues but rather lets me share when I feel safe, and has been patient with me, far more than most therapists. Since I do trust her and her judgment, I believe her when she says she doesn't believe in the BPD diagnosis and feels such a diagnosis stigmatizes those who are labelled with it. She felt that DBT would not prove effective for me and since she is the one therapist I have learned to trust I will go with her advice and not yours.

 

[Deleted member 1860]

I'm finding your comments lacking in compassion, Solara.

I never said I didn't know what grounding is. I said I don't believe in the concept.

Again, please don't assume to know me. You don't.

Why would you ask what grounding is IF YOU ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWR ?!?! Stop wasting our time.

I don't know you not do I want to know someone so incredibly NEGATIVE.

I have compassion for those who deserve it. You don't as you reject anything and everything said to you.

 

[Deleted member 1860]

Honestly, I've been on this forum a long time and this is a first for me in seeing someone so intent on rejecting everything suggested to them. Why are you wasting everyone's time? You don't want our advice. You think our experiences are for shit if they're not rooted in 100% factual proof. You reject the idea that others can see things about you that you can't see yourself.

You are keeping yourself in a world of suffering. Yeah, I know you reject Buddhism and ACT, but it's the truth. Have fun suffering. You seem to enjoy it there.

 

[Lost Pup]

Despite the attempts of many people to genuinely work with you, you continue to make strong proclamations about other people's experiences with SE and other provocative statements then accuse others of lacking compassion or overstepping their boundaries in describing their impressions of you. The end result feels profoundly manipulative.

Please take a moment or two to consider how your strong blanket condemnations et al may be affecting others here. Because, whatever your intention here is, I personally feel like you may as well be trolling a bunch of people who are genuinely trying to help.

 

[Animalliberator]

Despite the attempts of many people to genuinely work with you, you continue to make strong proclamations about other people's experiences with SE and other provocative statements then accuse others of lacking compassion or overstepping their boundaries in describing their impressions of you. The end result feels profoundly manipulative.

I have said repeatedly, Lost Pup, that if SE helps some folks, then great, knock yourself out. It has not worked for me and I simply don't understand how it would work since it makes little sense to me. Again, if some believe SE is effective then go for it. I'm even willing to give it a few more sessions provided I don't have to do silly exercises like feeling my feet on the floor.

 

[Animalliberator]

Please take a moment or two to consider how your strong blanket condemnations et al may be affecting others here. Because, whatever your intention here is, I personally feel like you may as well be trolling a bunch of people who are genuinely trying to help.

Just because I don't have faith in SE doesn't mean I'm advising others not to try it. As I noted previously, I'm still open to going to a few more sessions. But, again, I need to feel the therapy is credible. And so far, it hasn't passed that test.

 

[Lost Pup]

Let me try one last time to say this effectively and then I am signing off this discussion.

Out of one side of your mouth you are saying: if a particular healing mode is effective for you then go for it. Out of another you are attributing such modes to placebo, describing them as cult-ish, and suggesting people are "tragically" being "suckered." Again and again you feel the need to describe SE, for example, as silly, illogical, etc.

None of which there is anything wrong with you thinking.

But it's just flat-out weird that you continue to feel the need to say all this at the same time you are trying to have a conversation with people who are, themselves, working to heal from trauma in a whole variety of modalities, including those you reject.

In my opinion, it's just oddly disrespectful of the experience of others and it gains you nothing.

Best wishes. LP

 

[Animalliberator]

Lost Pup, not sure why my opinion about SE should matter to you or anyone else. Yes, I think it is woo-woo, hippy-dippy hogwash - at least from what I've experienced so far. But why should you or anyone else care what my thoughts are about it? If it works for you then I'm happy for you.

I posted the initial comment on this thread because I was really hoping someone could explain - in PLAIN ENGLISH - Somatic Experiencing and how it works. So far, I've not received one comment from anyone who could make sense of it for me. It still sounds like pseudo-science, mumbo-jumbo to me. It would be very helpful if someone on this site could explain it without making it sound so ethereal. I guess I need a more tangible explanation.

 

[Tinyflame]

Thanks for answering Animalliberator.

I am wondering as Anthony said if there may be more than one issue at play?

I can relate in a few ways to what you and others have said. As Anthony said, being with trusted friends and going for a beer I can relax or open up. Massage, or anything touching me (tapping) puts me through the roof. Visually as per rapid eye movement my brain 'corrects' a visual disturbance in one eye so rapid eye movement exascerbates migraines I already have. I am extremely active (I think the exception to the 'exercise' rule is when one pumps out lots of adrenaline), same goes for (no) sleep (hypervigilance triggered, usually for me), I usually can identify my depression as 'atypical' but I think it is affected physiologically. I have extreme back and hip and shoulder/ neck pain also (along with a few other 'goodies') but it has been for many years, pain fatigue (which I don't acknowledge) increases my depression/ suicidal feelings.

I think it is great you can keep trying. The point to SE (the 'water') is to so concentrate and learn how to sense, stop, and increase awareness at the moment as to break in to the fear and terror that you do not experience the same fear and terror and horror when considering or speaking of what is past. If you have too much, nothing can get accomplished. It has to be enough to be exposure, but without white-knuckling it or drowning it out (eg self-medicating, or dissociating). I respect what you have been doing, but I've found it's not something that can get done in one go and be done with it. There are layers, like peeling an onion.

I would begin by doing the things that bring you a tiny bit of peace. I don't care if they are unconventional, one has to break the patterns of thought and reaction. JMHO, of course.

One thought, have you tried right brain stimulation, such as learning to play an instrument with your left hand (if right is the dominant one)?

(PS, I have had a science background all my life, and have yet to 'crack the code'. Seems to me trust, breaking down barriers, being brutally honest with myself and going in the tiniest of steps, has been the only thing to turn down everything enough to even begin to acknowledge and address issues.)

 

[ms spock]

What is SE? Could someone please explain that to me?

Ah Somatic Experiencing that explains it.